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Those are uglier than Fenders. Which is not something I say very often.

The thing is that I would notice if I didn't have my 1 knob compression at 9 o'clock. I doubt anyone else would. Even my brother rhythm guitarist says that bass is just bass to him and any subtleties of my bass tone brought to his attention seem to elicit little interest. As for the audience, I'm pretty sure that as has been said many times before, most would only miss the bass if it wasn't there, let alone discern any difference. The thing that folk readily notice is the volume, "the bass was loud". I think Motown did a lot to bring a good bass-line to the attention of the listening/dancing public. A few other popular songs had strong bass-lines like 'Hit the road jack' and 'These boots are made for walking'. I'm happy being part of the rhythm section, I like locking in with a good drummer and rhythm guitarist who are also good team players. But the subtleties we enjoy getting out of our instruments, thumbs & plectrums, strings, nuts, bridges, pick-ups, pedals, amps, speakers and techniques, for the most part are like trade secrets shared and assessed and discussed like new/old recipes by the connoisseurs of the art who are I'm happy to say venerable BCers.

Should we not do the same for:- If you played a wrong note Got the timing wrong Used flanger instead of chorus Kicked some form of distortion/overdrive/fuzz on in a song you wouldn’t normally do it I take it if only 1 person notices that’s enough, or does there have to be more than that...... I have to say IMHO this survey misses the point of how you use compression and so won’t really prove anything either way

I’ve politely declined the one gig they wanted me on and they’ve agreed it makes no sense for me to do it. No sour grapes from me, just move on and be polite, professional and maybe they’ll call me if they need me in the future

I'm 6'2" and I'm now strictly short scale... so to speak. I have gigged with a cij Mustang in the past. I've recently bought a Squier Jaguar SS recently and think it's great. Now I'm considering other SS basses and am likely to be selling my remaining long scale. I'm motivated by a mixture of age and arthiticky hands, but I also think SS basses are amazingly cool.

Likewise with Tina Weymouth, she's superb. I don't know what the thing is with big basses, I struggled for years and just thought it was my lot to struggle because I have small hands for any instrument let alone bass, what I really meant by my boys with big basses comments was that you need to try stuff out without the burden of thinking you need big (or small for that matter), try everything without preconceptions is what I mean. When I went into my local music shop the chap who usually serves me and knows my particular tastes in instruments just pointed at the Taylor and said Tried one of these? Be careful when you pick it up, it's as addictive as crack. I did pick it up and I only put it down twenty minutes later in order to pay for it. Try everything.

i saw this a while back whilst browsing, looks interesting to me, a 2ohm option would be nice but isn't a deal breaker. the feature list is pretty good too, 4 band eq, switchable from active to passive input and a switchable onboard compressor. and it's got 2 speakon connectors. if you compare to the quilter then this has (to me) a much better spec list, eg. headphone output and an aux input with a volume control makes it a great practice tool at home. and a mute switch is one of the things i miss on my markbass if this had a different badge (Fender/Ampeg/gk/etc) and was 100 quid more i'd expect that we'd be buying them in droves and raving about what a bargain they were! matt

How many people do we need to get the price down to £7.50?

fair enough but the proportions are just plain wrong, a fender P is just right somehow

You utter bastard. Another knife in the heart of rock and roll.

Nearly as mind numbingly sh*te to look at as Windows 10.

B-amp with HD112 cabs & Spector Shorty strung with labella black tapes 👌

I am more than happy to apologise if people think I have been out of order. Sorry folks; not normally my style. I have been thinking back and realise that I have probably rarely if ever expressed a strong opinion here before at all, let alone a contentious one, on any threads here. Sure I have commented and been involved in conversations, but I am absolutely certain I have never openly criticised anyone else's products and wouldn't. Its below the belt and thats always going to pretty much guarantee a defensive response (for the record, as for bias, I am not employed by Markbass or Markaudio or their distribution, I am merely a self employed professional player and sound tech in the business, so these are not my products, I am being paid on a flat day rate to demonstrate them (no commission), so perhaps that could be interpreted as commercial interest, but no more than also being the bass player in a pro function band, hoping to have a fuller diary). I normally avoid engaging in any topics which obviously turn into bashing and negativity, I don't need that in my life, but I am always open to constructive and helpful advice. BFM's first "unbiased technical advice" began with "Its a variation on a Bose L1, and that is not a good thing....", or effectively "its rubbish, it won't work". I asked if he had actually heard Markaudio in action, and on what was he basing this "expert" opinion.... he has still failed to respond. He followed up saying all systems "like this one" are rubbish and won't work, as if de-personalising and this generalisation might soften the blow. I would happily have taken my concern with his clear bias (however well intended and technically minded) and his generalistic and unnecessary comments to all here that "we don't know better" off line and PM'ed him, but he has messaging disabled, so I couldn't! I would be very happy to see a debate about PA design, as it is a specific area of interest of mine (lets talk point source and tapped horns, now that would be a good discussion!), but in another place, not one that hijacks someone else's thread, and does nothing but undermine the point of the conversation. As said, all the gear we all use is a compromise between form, function, price and quality. Whether it fits with your opinion, the Markaudio (and lots of others too) are making a good job of bringing compact and good sounding equipment to the market. Interestingly, as HJ found out today, what makes the Markaudio different, is that you CAN separate the top arrays from the subs. You can quite easily run the subs in a cluster and locate the top arrays in another location, if it is your wish and the venue layout allows.. You can add further subs, you can add power amps and add more AC arrays, which can be flown from trusses, and build up quite a large (but still light and portable) system... and it does work... quite well in fact. It is being used by a function band on Saturday night at a party I have been invited to. I am not doing the sound, so I'll try and get some video to share here if that is of interest?

I was looking into the very same a couple of years ago. On the Bach website, you could zoom in on the example photos and the fit and finish didn't look good so I didn't bother. You'd have thought they would have put their very best one up there, so if that was their best, I wasn't interested in getting a lesser version....

I find anything simple and repetititve difficult as I get bored and zone out and start thinking about having coffee and wedding cake at the break

Intersteing interview with Kim Ryrie and Peter Vogel founders of Fairlight Instruments, talking about the development of the Fairlight CMI and other projects they have been involved with. Over 90 minutes long but well worth the time to listen (you don't really need to watch the video, it's all static headshots).

I think it's the horn being wider than the body that does it, it just looks... "splodgy" to me

WHAT? SPEAK UP! SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER MY HARTKE 3500'S FAN.

The real difference is that the mids on the Para Driver are sweepable, from something like 170Hz to 3kHz whereas on the V2 Bass Driver there are just the two frequencies. The V2 also sounded less scooped overall to me when I had one briefly, much more "chunky" sounding imo.

I could be wrong but I think the originals had much better drivers. They used a Celestion 12" with a cast chassis, 3" coil and neodymium magnet, plus a Celestion compression driver with a 1.74" coil. The later ones have smaller voice coils for LF and HF and the 12" drivers are pressed steel with ferrite magnets. Sometimes it pays to be a bit nerdy about these things.

Isnt there something a bit different with the sansamp where to boost the mids you actually turn the bass and treble down?

You were the lucky one Firefox

Ha! Thanks Frank Blank! Strangely, although i'm quite petite (and female) I also somehow feel that I need a 'large' bass to make me look cool. However even more than this I want to sound good, so if a shorter scale is going to help me then I'm right in there! Also I find the weight of the bass guitar is giving me problems these days - I get tired at practices when playing for a couple of hours or more. And my hands get tired which results in mistakes. Anyway I read that Tina Weymouth has used a short scale, and she is (predictably) my idol! So thanks again for your comments and encouragement!

I’m thinking toilet seat.

Done that. Not doing it again if this is all I get:

I think there's a consensus building here....

Futile

Slimmest neck without getting stupid - best of the bunch IMHO is the MM Sterling. A US one is a bit above your budget (apart from the rare and no longer made US SUB) but you might bag a used SB14 which I believe had the same neck dimensions.

Blimey you lot! You never see these in the for sale section, which obviously means they are brilliant, beautiful & owners would never sell......😉

see at that sort of prices I'm starting to think about selling my amp...

That's quite hilariously hideous. Looks for all the world like some wonky home-made bodge job.

my mate today was recalling his sad sorry tale of an unpleasant extraction from deep within his manus glandus which involved a surgical implement not unlike this abomination in reverse order.

FRFR then?

US subs are the doggies danglies had a few of those. Never know why I end up selling them tho... weird. (me and the concept..)

Never sell anything unless you need the money or stop liking it. Frank.

Hey all.... @Cuzzie @FacStudio @ShaunB @NancyJohnson @cetera @fretmeister @dannybuoy @Sean Aside from Tech21 claiming they are “shipping soon” I’ve had confirmation these are due in U.K. in April. Exciting news! with these numbers so far I would suggest we can knock our basschat price from £270 RRP down to £240 delivered to you. If more add to the list we can maybe do better. I’ll do the preorders at the end of the month so it’s nearer payday for everyone... if you could email me your details to [email protected] I’ll send you a PayPal invoice with my details. BOOM!

I left a band once after a blazing row at the rehearsal rooms in the coffee machine area, stormed off back into the room, packed my kit...and then had to go back and ask for a hand getting my Ampeg 810 up the stairs and into my car. This is why lightweight cabs are the way forward...Flouncing Ability is an often-overlooked plus point...

Surely with packing up all that kit it was the longest storming out it could possibly be. Did noone say anything during the packing up? I'm imagining 5 minutes of angry packing while the band looks on in awkward silence...

Just noticed since the site moved that all the attachments are missing so have re-added and had a tidy up of the thread.

There is always the Mark Hoppus bass if you're committed to a P sound with the aesthetics and ergonomics of a J...