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Your creativity is your creativity. Formal training gives you other options and opens your eyes to other ways of doing things but doesn't replace creativity. So no, if you are inventive, a formal education will help. If you aren't, it won't.

It can be an expensive purchase so some may find this article useful... https://www.guitarworld.com/features/the-best-flatwound-bass-guitar-strings-how-to-choose-the-right-flatwounds-for-you

It's no more a barrier to being musically creative, than being able to read and write is to telling stories.

8 replies in and this thread has already descended into complete and utter reasonableness.

Get me a gig...

Let’s play ball...

Apologies, I didn't post a pic of the Electra post modding as I was waiting for some knobs to be delivered. They were, and here it is.

Or throw some cash at ped and see his jugs as part of the deal

I'm in. I've had to fit Schaller locks to my gigging straps to fit the Ricky buttons. But I'll wear these over my nipples. 👍

I’ve never posted one of these before but this just arrived today after a 7-month wait. Sadly it has a bit of an issue at the neck joint and some buzzing on the open D but I’m hoping a trip to Jon Shuker will sort that out. Luckily it sounds lovely and plays really nicely. The neck profile is wonderful. Here’s a clip: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CsIxUzVpni9GGTdnOjSyycjlzWIOn_PW/view?usp=drivesdk

Came across some pics of my old basses circa 78-84 i reckon. WAL custom fretless (flame sycamore) Shergold 4 & 8 twin neck (Shergolds first 8 string adapted from their 6 string bass)

Hi, no one from Basschat ... I was only kicked out from another forum & as I'm also on FB a lot of people are only arging about my design and much more, anyway the next bridge & final version will be smoother .... Many thanks to all members of BASSCHAT , fantastic forum, nice & polite members !!!! I'm very honored to be part of this forum! Alberto

He’s got enough money. Charge him £10 to enter a draw 😂

This isn't going to end well.

Here's a video that helped explain it for me. The guy talks / rambles a bit. It's worth watching from the beginning but its the visualisation of his hand movements just after 4 mins that helped me visualise what was happening.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/jul/20/q-magazine-to-fold-after-34-years Stopped reading this over ten years ago and was a little surprised to find out it was still limping along. I guess they never adapted to a changing world; everything was effectively a month old by the time it went to print. Too much reliance on a handful of artistes (Gallaghers, Sheeran, U2) and a bunch of other ones that really weren't much cop. Q Magazine is (was) the tangible embodiment of Later...with Jools Holland, a publication full of bands you're not really interested in and something you just skim through hoping to find something worth reading.

Democracy has won. I have ordered. In a highly amusing turn of events, if it gets delivered as per the lead time suggested on the website, it might get here on my wedding anniversary. That can only go well.....

Probably customer returns......oh, hang on......😉

Understatement Alert:: This subject can illicit some strong opinions. A formal music education should not be a barrier to creativity, in fact (in my experience) it can enhance the capacity for creativity. Even a small amount of theory knowledge. But what do I know. 😎

Before the Internet, we used to call folk like that bar room orators. You know, like the bloke down the pub that knows more than everyone else but won't buy a round of drinks because he's on unemployment benefit...? It's all talk on their part. You have actually made something.

what he said. At the end of the day, you got a bass you like. If you dwell on the attitude of the maker too much you'll end up not liking it.

The body. One coat. More will be added.

At this rate, so many will have bought them at 'pre-sale' price, there will be no-one left to pay full price.....🤔

I have been retired for a year and a half now and have combination of pensions(private and government) and savings that allow me to live a comfortable but careful life without any debts. I am 74 and have been gigging since I was 16 and am currently in two bands and have played 15 to 30 gigs a year so it is not a big source of money. Like others on here, it costs me money to play in bands due to distance to gigs and weekly rehearsals but I love it. Right now I am not missing the money but the good times and social interaction with band members and audiences. I am filling the Covid time practicing almost every day and doing a bit of recording just for fun. Since I play DB, guitar, EB and EUB I can vary what I do each day but it is getting very frustrating with gigs being cancelled and no rehearsals although my playing skills are improving. It may be a long time before we get anywhere back to normal and at my age, even though I am in reasonable health, I know the clock is ticking. In many ways I am quite lucky and feel sorry for the full time musicians who are really struggling and are wondering just what will happen in the music world and how long it will be before things get back to anything near "normal". It will be quite a while I'm afraid.

Hi, it seems that only you & me hear more sustain with the new bridge... Honestly to me there is more sustain with the new bass bridge, by the way I received a lot of emails/ PMessenger, non constructive feedbacks: your bridge is ugly as sh..t , I will never buy your bridge I didnt hear more sustain, beacuse you use aluminium your bridge dosen't bring any new improvement to a bass You have copied the bridge from Jens Johnsen ( no under license) and much more... the list is too long & some feedbacks were very harsh... Anyway I'm a small Bass Builder from Luxembourg & doing the best I can & I'm proud of my results... Cheers from Luxembourg & many thanks to all of you from basschat for all your great feedback :))))

That's basically what I did. I had some lessons with Ian King. The first lessons in my life, and I just asked him to get me out of this rut. He explained different shapes, patterns, techniques and ideas and, after showing me these new options, gave me a list of songs that used this information to expand my abilities and creative thinking. I'm probably still in the rut, but it's a lot wider now and some days I can't even see the sides. I'll happily tackle stuff now that I would have left alone in the past. Ian took what I asked and turned it into a set of suggestions that made me make myself a better player. I'd never have done that with a book or sitting at home on my own.

Yes you are overthinking. Have a cup of tea and a biscuit and a nice sit down 😊

And when the day comes when you are so sick of everyone pointing and laughing at you that it tips you over the edge you have a handy attachment point for the noose. Genius.

My take... there wasn't really much wrong with the bass, just a few things that needed attention. The builder is a bit brusque and not good at customer service. The buyer started a conversation starting like he was looking for things to complain about, builder probably reacted to that. I'm sure he's had buyers like that before, get £50 for some small scratch and then find a million more things they want rectified... The buyer is actually happy with the bass except for a few things. The builder is still not good at customer service. It all esculates on Basschat to the point where the buyer and the builder having a mature conversation about what would sort it out isn't possible. €100 back for crack in the nitro when it arrives is probably fair... if not the buyer would need to say what would be. This thread, and language/culture problems means that that conversation probably doesn't happen. Builder is still not good at customer service, and annoyed about this thread. My take is that if the buyer and builder both spoke the same language this whole thing probably wouldn't have happened. Some of the subtly is being lost. Blunt german/polish comes across as ruder than it would be in german, spanish into english also looses some of its preciseness. I wonder too if the builder has ended up growing too quickly, and has got to the point where he needs customer service help. They seem to have a business model based around a user customisable custom shop - when he was selling a £800 bass the quality difference people expect is different to a £2000 bass. But from the builders POV the £1k of extra options prob isn't adding much to the profit. He's seeing it as a £800 that people are choosing to spend more on to get fancy pickups etc.

Sounds Just like Gala @NikNik

Back in the day I was in a Heavy Metal band and the singer moved from Edinburgh to Galashiels. He soon shacked up with a dame and we used to pile down at the weekend and stay in his small flat. Bodies and sleeping bags everywhere. One of the guitarists - who was so shy that he had no carnal knowledge of women at that time - was observed one night having his face eaten off by a dame. We never saw him for the rest of the night. Around 4am we hear the door go and in he comes, covered in massive love-bites and scratches and bruises. Seemingly, his paramour had asked him back to her place, 7 miles out in the sticks, so he drove out there in the small hours. At the door, she kisses him and nips inside, closing the door on him. In a priapic rage he drives back on the winding A7 road to Gala and totals the car; it's a write-off. He's ok, though, and his father was on the way down from North Berwick to take him home. It is then that we point out the massive ring of hickeys on his neck. Someone tells him that putting toothpaste on them will make them less visible to the old man. Which turns out not to be the case, as the toothpaste seems to make them worse and highlight them all the more. His old man - a Magnus Pyke lookalike - enters the small living room where a dozen bodies lie smirking, grunting and farting. 'My God, William! What has happened??' the father asks as he stares at his son. Willie replies, 'I...I've been with a woman, father!' A stunned silence from all follows. The father casts his eye around the beer and sweat-reeking room, turns on his heels and walks away. Nothing like chasing dames, eh?

No. People are creative or they're not. Also, some people see music theory as 'rules'. I'd say it's more scaffolding - you can still hang upside down off the end of it with your undies on your head if you so desire. 😁

Well I can report exactly what the Hardly-Bent-One / Deathburger P-bass sounds like. Because after messing around with it for a few days I can say the basic sound is like hitting open piano strings, very rich and rounded but not bright (that will be the Fender flatwounds). In fact it sounded exactly like a well known track which I have tried to learn over the last ten-minutes and record on my phone, but my sight reading of tab (even at quarter note speed) isn't too brilliant so apologies for the stilted timing and obvious fluffs, but I hope you will be able to recognise the tune and the tone is, to my ear, spot on! Sound of the P-Bass.mp3

I think that you can count on multiple purchases from many of us. I'm banking on at least two sets, maybe more, and I'm a drummer, so ..!

The Sandberg California II is smaller than a regular Fender J as well.

I hope those feedbacks didn’t come from Basschat... I’d they did kindly add me into the conversations and I’ll happily dish out some sanctions.

I've known several classically trained players who are good at improvising. And I know several classically trained players who can't play a piano/violin concerto. And several non-classically trained musicians who are terrible at improvising. The point being, I don't think they're necessarily related. You might chance upon a co-factor if you analyse enough statistics, but its more a case of "you are what you learn/practise". In that, if someone is using their ear (relatively) more than eg someone sight reading, they'll get better at that particular aspect of music. And if someone is playing from memory, or has to learn tunes to perform, they'll get good at it. And......if someone never reads music, they will struggle to sight read. Its the same for improvising too. I know what you mean about 'classically trained' musicians though, for a long time the "pathway" a lot of formally trained musicians went down, didn't include improvisation until much later on, like Grade 6 and beyond. I think that was just a historical thing though, which had merit in the past but in the days of YouTube and improved all-round education of music teachers, is probably not true any more. If we can conclude anything from it, its that learning a broad range of skills rather than narrowly focusing on one or two aspects, is better.

Thank you. My point with this is: 200€ is enough to prefer this topic continue making bigger? Solve the problem two weeks ago and this topic don't exist. Thank you.

I would not get too concerned because the website has indeed changed recently, just concentrate on getting your bass made perfect or be compensated for the fact it's not

In my trousers, thrice.

Thank you. I have no problem accepting my knowledge limitations in this area (or any other). I wanted to understand the process by which a (seemingly) simple mechanical device was able to do such a complicated job. I'll see how far I get through the article to which you provided a link! Then I'll have a cup of tea and a biscuit. 🙂

Guitar 4x12 cabs tend to be rather smaller in internal volume (per driver) than you'd choose if designing a bass cab from scratch. People have either just lived with that, giving a cab that's very efficient in the mids but lean in the lower bass, or you could make plywood blanking panels for two of the driver openings and treat them as 2x12 cabs.

Could have clocked in at under nine with shorter hair!

I’m in for some of that

The only real problem with this bass is customer service. It is a beautiful bass with a couple of very minor issues, this whole thing could have been fixed with a couple of friendly emails.

An MP3 is a way of saving space, that is all. It is a way of throwing away some data based on psycho-acoustic models of what we hear and what we don't hear, so for instance, we don't hear detail in a frequency that has lower power than a frequency that has higher power, eg - if we have a really loud section at 1khz, and there is a detailed sound at 4khz, we don't hear it, so it can throw it away. That is all cool and good because most people don't hear it. However, if you are looping, you can have a load of tracks that are added together with some of the data missing because in the individual track you couldn't hear it. But maybe there are other tracks with data at that frequency that was removed that would have added and increased the power of that level beyond the original large value, but as we have already got rid of that detail it can't happen so it won't add properly, like in an orchestra where you have a quiet instrument, you hear it because they add lots of them. Mp3 only works well for a single playing track, not a composite. OK, so it isn't terrible, it will work, it will just never be as good and as its sole point is to save space, unless you have a shortage of space it will always be better if you don't use compression. Are these people without computers? Or people with computers from the 80s or something? They haven't made a computer in the last 3 decades that cant covert a wav file to an mp3!

Once things get back to near normal the passion will come back. Once a bassist, always a bassist.........at heart anyway. Dave