taunton-hobbit Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 9 hours ago, AndyTravis said: I went to a James Brown gig once, it was bloody hard work. I went to two, one at the Royal Albert Hall & one at the Barbican - messy, over loud, under rehearsed - and that's just the good stuff............. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyTravis Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 minute ago, taunton-hobbit said: I went to two, one at the Royal Albert Hall & one at the Barbican - messy, over loud, under rehearsed - and that's just the good stuff............. Sh*t sandwich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I saw JB in 1971, with Bootsy Collins, and again some time in the early 90's. Those performances were chalk and cheese, sublime to the ridiculous. Throw his later career in the bin but he was at his peak and world class for about 25 years. James Brown's career was a story of 2 halves. In the first he certainly was The Hardest Working Man In Show Business. In the second, when he was gigging into 70's and with his many addictions he was way past his best. But in the 60's and 70's there was no one who could beat him. He was the guy who inspired every one. There wouldn't be Funk without JB or Hip Hop. Don't write off a whole career based on some of his later, woeful, performances? When he was in his prime he was a unique and original talent, a force of nature even. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubinga5 Posted August 25, 2018 Author Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) JB stopped a riot at his Boston performance just after Dr King was shot. Thats one of his greatest legacies. Out of respect for the funk man. Edited August 25, 2018 by bubinga5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steantval Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I personally prefer Gladys Knight voice to Aretha, it’s more soulful, Aretha at times was very shrieky. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) JB? The Godfather, no doubt. Soul Brother No. 1. All titles deserved. Edited August 25, 2018 by spongebob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grenadillabama Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 the Queen, King,Sultan(s of Swing ) ,etc are just praise words for the devoted fans. To me , the Beatles were tops and Elvis was just a truck driver from Mississippi . He may have been King early on but the Beatles were tops. not to be confused with the Four Tops ...Macca reins supreme . The Ox could outplay him though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyP Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 25/08/2018 at 01:56, bubinga5 said: I went to see Anita at the Birmingham NEC back in 98 with my sister. She had some backing singers that I found out were the Perri Sister's. I then bought there album called, The Flight. To this day Its in my top 10 albums. There voices, the music, the keys the bass playing are just fabulous. I must agree that the Flight album by Perri is magnificent soul. While I'm typing how about Lorraine Ellison who could belt out a soul/gospel song as well as anyone - "Stay With Me" springs to mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 I would also nominate Loleatta Holloway but she really didn't get the song writing team behind her for anything other than this. Which some may recognise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikel Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 25/08/2018 at 16:54, ambient said: But what they produced, was it pop or soul? i did say I’m probably completely wrong, anything like this is anathema to me. It was Soul that was popular. Its another question is it not? Any Jazz that was popular was by default pop. The same goes for "Classical" music. Lets not be musical snobs here. Pop is simply short for popular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 1 hour ago, mikel said: It was Soul that was popular. Its another question is it not? Any Jazz that was popular was by default pop. The same goes for "Classical" music. Lets not be musical snobs here. Pop is simply short for popular. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 I'm just reading the Simon biography of Glenn Miller, and I've reached the chapters dealing with his sudden rise to superstar status in 1938/39. Much of what I'm reading could be transposed effortlessly to 1978/79, or for that matter to 1898/99. The sound of pop music changes from year to year but the essentials remain the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 My opinion none of these artist are in the same league as Aretha. It takes more than being a great singer to accomplish what Aretha did. Let's not forget get she was a once in a lifetime artist and has a very special place in history. The others don't in my opinion. I will continue to wave my 1960s flag high with honor and will always support the icons from my generation. Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebigyin Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 She was....just my humble opinion mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazBeen Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I think having a 1st child at 13 (...😵) but still finding a way to build a singing career is pretty special. Let's face it, there are MANY MANY good singers out there, most did/do not make it not for all sorts of reasons. Aretha was a good singer, who built a long career and is well respected. If "Queen of Soul" is in fact a misnomer to me is not very relevant, as far as I'm concerned it is just another label others have given her. King of Pop, Queen of Soul, Godfather of Funk just all marketing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barking Spiders Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) No love for Duffy then? On the subject of self given titles didn't the Rolling Stones call themselves the 'greatest rock n roll band in the world' or some such gibberish or was it some other deluded soul? Edited August 28, 2018 by Barking Spiders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz39 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 On 26/08/2018 at 22:09, Bluewine said: My opinion none of these artist are in the same league as Aretha. It takes more than being a great singer to accomplish what Aretha did. Let's not forget get she was a once in a lifetime artist and has a very special place in history. The others don't in my opinion. I will continue to wave my 1960s flag high with honor and will always support the icons from my generation. Blue Yeah what @bluewine said: she occupies a particular space in the memory; her music and personality were very much part of the 'resistance' in the civil rights movement, and add that to the resonance of her greatest hits and their uses (is there a better feminist tune than Respect that isn't I Will Survive?) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 In other news ... Gillette is not the best a man can get ... 😥 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubinga5 Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Barking Spiders said: No love for Duffy then? On the subject of self given titles didn't the Rolling Stones call themselves the 'greatest rock n roll band in the world' or some such gibberish or was it some other deluded soul? Didn't Oasis say they were the best band in the world..Oh didn't I laugh when the long haired monkey said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 On 27 August 2018 at 15:18, HazBeen said: I think having a 1st child at 13 (...😵) but still finding a way to build a singing career is pretty special. Let's face it, there are MANY MANY good singers out there, most did/do not make it not for all sorts of reasons. Aretha was a good singer, who built a long career and is well respected. If "Queen of Soul" is in fact a misnomer to me is not very relevant, as far as I'm concerned it is just another label others have given her. King of Pop, Queen of Soul, Godfather of Funk just all marketing.... Partly marketing, and partly we (the public) do love our labels - "The King", "The Boss", "The Fab Four" etc.... To me Aretha was the Queen, simply because she exuded Soul even though there may have been technically better singers around, and I doubt we will ever see the like of those icons of the '60's again (Stones included, whatever label describes them) because the world and the route to stardom are now so very different. To me - very unoriginally - Soul reached its absolute apex with "What's going on" in 1971. I even like a lot of what Aretha (and Marvin) did in the '80's, unlike some of their contemporaries 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubinga5 Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 I personally think Aretha had the better voice (apart from Gladis Knight) but Anita consistently came out with better soul music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazBeen Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 hour ago, bubinga5 said: Didn't Oasis say they were the best band in the world..Oh didn't I laugh when the long haired monkey said that. They really were...... no really..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Barking Spiders said: No love for Duffy then? On the subject of self given titles didn't the Rolling Stones call themselves the 'greatest rock n roll band in the world' or some such gibberish or was it some other deluded soul? The Rolling Stones are the greatest Rock & Roll band in the world. Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burns-bass Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 The title of this thread is proper clickbait stuff and seems particularly poorly timed considering Aretha’s recent death. Our relationship with music isn’t rational, it’s emotional. What moves you may leave me cold; that’s the power and wonder of music. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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