They're rubbish!! or maybe you just don't like them

[police squad]

Having been on BC for a while now (and also being a bit older and wiser) I don't understand when someone says something is rubbish or someone is rubbish

when they / it aren't. You just don't like it.

Is Morrisey a rubbish singer, just because I don't like him (as a singer and as a person)? He does what he does and I do quite like some smiths songs

Are all P basses rubbish just because they don't work for you. I don't really like super ornate single cut basses where the top bit goes right down the fingerboard but I'm sure they're very good

 

The food in Wetherspoons. Actually I think it's ok for the money, very good value but it's not gormet and that's not expected at that price point

 

your thoughts please

[tubbybloke68]

Morning! Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just some are more vocal about it than others., which is fine in itself as long as they don’t try to ‘ram it down my throat’ so to speak. Personally I’ve yet to find any type of P bass that remotely interested me but hey ho! I appreciate that they’re probably the most widely used bass ever! As regards Morissey well….🤣x 

[upside downer]

Threads like this are rubbish...

[Rosie C]

Apologies for taking you literally, but I can't disagree - Wetherspoons do a decent breakfast for the money and their beer is fairly prices. Also, I saw The Smiths live in 1986 ish at "The Tube" filming and while I really wanted them to be rubbish so I could wind up my friend who was a big fan, they were actually rather good.

[Steve Browning]

There's always a nuance to this. A singer may, indeed, be a technically awful singer, but they perform material that is popular.

 

There are performers whom I wouldn't want to see, but a bloke with a 40 year career is clearly doing something right. Even a poor technique needn't be a barrier to greatness or popularity. The folk who play instruments around their knees are displaying poor technique, but seem perfectly capable of becoming legends.

 

It's all very subjective. After all, if it was down to sheer ability, I'd be a musical god, but somehow I'm not! 🙂

[Leonard Smalls]

I don't have a problem with Wetherspoons as such, just with its owner...

Similarly, when I saw the Smiths in 1985ish at Leeds Uni I couldn't get past Morrisey and his gladioli.

But then what do I know, I like avant-jazz and occasional slap bass!

[EBS_freak]

Completely agree.

 

Apart from anything to do with Morrissey and The Smiths.

[Gank Bass]

The national lottery? Need I say anymore??

 

 

[WinterMute]

You can dislike something and acknowledge that it's good work I think, but there is an inherent polarisation of any subjective call these days, everything has to be black or white, the "you're either with us or against us" crowd, Liverpool v Everton, City V United... That footballification of everything leaves no room for nuance.

 

Can't stand Country and Western, but those boys can play and write a tune, really don't like the Beatles, whilst recognising their significance as songwriters and the quality of McCartneys bass work (and Ringo's drumming for that matter), can't listen to most Jazz, or classical.

 

The limitation is in me, not them, I fully admit.

 

That said, Morrisey can do one, any day of the week, muppet.

[JapanAxe]

When it comes to music there are two kinds:

1. Music you like.

2. Music you don’t like.

 

/thread

[ead]

Agree 100% with the OP.  It's a message I have consistently given my kids as they were growing and I played them both kinds of music, country and western (kidding).

 

They were fed many shades of the spectrum from full on prog right through to jazz (not that I have much of that), and they took what they wanted from each genre.  They now have actually quite divergent tastes which is interesting.  The real point of "communion" has been the Graceland album.

[Beedster]

10 minutes ago, JapanAxe said:

When it comes to music there are two kinds:

1. Music you like.

2. Music you don’t like yet

 

/thread

 

Fixed it for you 👍

[uk_lefty]

Its all perspectives isn't it?  Rubbish is quite a shorthand way of expressing things like "not my cup of tea" and "inferior quality compared to other options".

 

I wouldn't say Morrisey is a rubbish singer, I would say something like I'd rather lick horse wee off burning thistles, but that's my perspective and I don't expect everyone else to go along with it.

[tegs07]

1 hour ago, police squad said:

Having been on BC for a while now (and also being a bit older and wiser) I don't understand when someone says something is rubbish or someone is rubbish

when they / it aren't. You just don't like it.

Is Morrisey a rubbish singer, just because I don't like him (as a singer and as a person)? He does what he does and I do quite like some smiths songs

Are all P basses rubbish just because they don't work for you. I don't really like super ornate single cut basses where the top bit goes right down the fingerboard but I'm sure they're very good

 

The food in Wetherspoons. Actually I think it's ok for the money, very good value but it's not gormet and that's not expected at that price point

 

your thoughts please

Anyone that gets up, gives something a try and puts themselves out there deserves respect, no matter what field they are in.

 

 

 

That said Coldplay are still rubbish.

[Lozz196]

12 minutes ago, tegs07 said:

Anyone that gets up, gives something a try and puts themselves out there deserves respect, no matter what field they are in.

 

 

 

That said Coldplay are still rubbish.

Agree, their material is instantly recognisable and many really like them but I just can`t get Coldplay. 

[uk_lefty]

21 minutes ago, Lozz196 said:

Agree, their material is instantly recognisable and many really like them but I just can`t get Coldplay. 

I used to like them, even went to see them live... Then they disappeared up their own derriere in my view, and I wouldn't bother with them now. Having said that my band plays two of their older songs and they get a good sing along going.

[Linus27]

I must admit, its a bit of a bugbear for me when someone says something is rubbish, when its clearly not, but I understand what they are saying is they don't like it. Music to me is art and a language and it either speaks to you, emotionally, physically, mentally etc. or it doesn't. We are all different so there is no right or wrong to any of this, it simply does or doesn't speak to you and one mans work of art can be a masterpiece yet to the next person it is utter garbage. Just enjoy what you enjoy.

 

Agree with the Morrisey comments, an utter bell end 🤣

[Crusoe]

I'm completely with you about the ornate basses 😄 Just not for me.

I don't think I'd call Wetherspoons food very good value. Maybe just good value - they never give you enough chips.

I love The Smiths, but Morrissey is a knob. As for Coldplay, they can do one. 😁

[cetera]

Everything I don't like is rubbish. It makes for an easier life.....

[JohnH89]

You would have to drag me screaming to eat or drink at wetherspoons . Still , keeps their punters out of the decent pubs . I'm sure they are not worried about my absence , and neither should you be . 😁

[fretmeister]

Extract from an interview with Nile Rodgers:

 

 

[Dad3353]

9 minutes ago, fretmeister said:

Extract from an interview with Nile Rodgers:...

 

Just as Farage, Trump, Putin and others 'speak to the souls of a million strangers'..? There is an objective 'some stuff is light-weight, 'throw-away', dross, whether popular or not.', I say. Who gets to judge..? Any and all of us; I have firm ideas on what I deem to be 'rubbish' (despite its popularity, not because of it...). 

[fretmeister]

2 minutes ago, Dad3353 said:

 

Just as Farage, Trump, Putin and others 'speak to the souls of a million strangers'..? There is an objective 'some stuff is light-weight, 'throw-away', dross, whether popular or not.', I say. Who gets to judge..? Any and all of us; I have firm ideas on what I deem to be 'rubbish' (despite its popularity, not because of it...). 

 

 

 

[Bassassin]

It's an interesting & quite layered question. I've been trying to think of a band/artist who's objectively rubbish on every level - but I don't have a single example. I can think of any number of bands who have members with no discernible ability - oddly it's usually the vocalist, and even more oddly (or is it?) you can be confident that if they didn't have that vocalist, you'd never have heard of them. As examples I give you Liam Gallagher, Axl Rose, Ian Brown - terrible, terrible nails-on-blackboard 'singers' but all absolutely central to their bands' success, despite the fact you're left thinking the only reason they got to be in their bands in the first place was because it was their van or their PA or something...

 

I think I grew out of the 'that's rubbish because I don't like/get it' mindset by the time I hit my 20s, and while there's a lot of music across all genres that I don't like (I'm a prog fan who thinks Dream Theater are utter dogsh!t, for example) I think I can be analytical enough to appreciate (maybe not the right word) why something works, and usually how, even if I hate it.

 

 

Edited 19 minutes ago by Bassassin
Words, innit.