MacDaddy Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 As not to derail another thread, I'm putting forth the notion that music is a competition. Or rather music that is commercially released, is competitive, and it is the results of this which feed your Spotify and YouTube algorithms. If music was not competitive we would not have The Hit Parade. Thoughts? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 19 minutes ago, MacDaddy said: As not to derail another thread, I'm putting forth the notion that music is a competition. Or rather music that is commercially released, is competitive, and it is the results of this which feed your Spotify and YouTube algorithms. If music was not competitive we would not have The Hit Parade. Thoughts? If one accepts the narrow definition given, you're probably right. Luckily, not all music falls into this band, and, equally luckily, not all that does qualify as 'competitive' is rubbish. Soooooo, it's competitive. So what..? One listens to it or not, whatever. Using this sense, baked beans are 'competitive', too. Thoughts..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cetera Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, MacDaddy said: As not to derail another thread, I'm putting forth the notion that music is a competition. Or rather music that is commercially released, is competitive, and it is the results of this which feed your Spotify and YouTube algorithms. If music was not competitive we would not have The Hit Parade. Thoughts? Yes, though various aspects can be competed for... Most sales/streams Most spine tingling effect Most influential Most interesting Worst... etc Edited January 31, 2023 by cetera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykesbass Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Interesting point @MacDaddy As someone who agreed with the comment on the other thread, perhapsit should be 'music should not be competitive' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassassin Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 I'd argue that what you're talking about is marketing rather than music itself, and the effect marketing has upon the creation of new music. Obviously a lot of music is created specifically to be marketed, and there are clear formulae for creating a successfully marketable product in those areas. Successful artists will be under various pressures to create new music that repeats & builds upon previous success, regardless of how artistically motivated they may have originally been. I'd suspect (although this is purely speculative!) that most people who get into playing and creating music aren't too motivated by the commercial success (or otherwise) of what inspired them to pick up an instrument. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len_derby Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 What about the auditioning process to join a band? That’s an aspect of “music” that usually has a competitive element. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassassin Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Len_derby said: What about the auditioning process to join a band? That’s an aspect of “music” that usually has a competitive element. Might be splitting hairs a bit. More to do with who's suitable - a bit like Croakin' Joe's Blues Stumblers getting a residency at the Dog & Slopbucket rather than my conceptual prog originals 9-piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Boat Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) I'll have a philosophical stab at this - I would say it is a general law of the universe that all things are competitive and things that are not competitive simply disappear - it is an inherent feature of a universe that contains time as a dimension. This is possibly similar to Richard Dawkins concept of a "meme" - something which can reproduce itself imperfectly will evolve, and if the evolutionary change gives something an advantage in the prevailing environment, then it will outcompete the other things which it competes with for resources - the resources necessarily being limited in some way. In the case of music the resources will be the listeners. You can expand access to resources by having more listeners or by having each listener listen to more music on average. Just as in the natural world it is not necessary for the music to occupy all the "environmental" niches at once - there are both penguins and pangolins, Motown and Metal, it is only necessary that the music must outcompete the others in its niche. Edited January 31, 2023 by Jon the Boat Added two commas 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 36 minutes ago, Dad3353 said: If one accepts the narrow definition given, you're probably right. Luckily, not all music falls into this band, and, equally luckily, not all that does qualify as 'competitive' is rubbish. Soooooo, it's competitive. So what..? One listens to it or not, whatever. Using this sense, baked beans are 'competitive', too. Thoughts..? Absolutely, I for one am often to be found anxiously awaiting the countdown of the weeks best selling baked beans 🫤 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burns-bass Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, MacDaddy said: As not to derail another thread, I'm putting forth the notion that music is a competition. Or rather music that is commercially released, is competitive, and it is the results of this which feed your Spotify and YouTube algorithms. If music was not competitive we would not have The Hit Parade. Thoughts? My point about McCartney is wrong too. Especially as the Beatles considered them to be competition with Brian Wilson. These headlines and polls and ratings things are trash and exist only to generate dissent which creates clicks. Edited January 31, 2023 by Burns-bass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky 4000 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, MacDaddy said: Absolutely, I for one am often to be found anxiously awaiting the countdown of the weeks best selling baked beans 🫤 Unlike tinned food firms, bands don't often buy out smaller less successful bands and swallow them up. So that's a difference there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, Ricky 4000 said: Unlike tinned food firms, bands don't often buy out smaller less successful bands and swallow them up. So that's a difference there. Although there are examples of bands 'stealing' members of other bands for their own advancement (Maiden with Bruce Dickinson and Tom Petty with Howie Epstein for a couple of instances). However, this is probably where the creation of music falls into show business; they're out there to be successful and to do so means being bigger and better than others. Edited February 1, 2023 by ezbass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 28 minutes ago, Ricky 4000 said: Unlike tinned food firms, bands don't often buy out smaller less successful bands and swallow them up. So that's a difference there. Well, they don't buy them out ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassassin Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 17 minutes ago, ezbass said: Although there are examples of bands 'stealing' members of other bands for their own advancement (Maiden with Bruce Dickinson and Tom Petty with Howie Mandel for a couple of instances). However, this is probably where the creation of music falls into show business; they're out there to be successful and to do so means being bigger and better than others. Maiden didn't poach Bruce 'Bruce' Dickinson from Samson to stop Samson being a threat to Maiden's success though. I'd also expect the decision to have been as much management as artist-driven, if not more. Marketing again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 21 minutes ago, Bassassin said: Maiden didn't poach Bruce 'Bruce' Dickinson from Samson to stop Samson being a threat to Maiden's success though. I'd also expect the decision to have been as much management as artist-driven, if not more. Marketing again. No, and TP didn't poach Howie to beat Del Shannon. However, they did get those guys to join their bands to enhance their own 'product'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casapete Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 18 hours ago, ezbass said: Although there are examples of bands 'stealing' members of other bands for their own advancement (Maiden with Bruce Dickinson and Tom Petty with Howie Mandel for a couple of instances). However, this is probably where the creation of music falls into show business; they're out there to be successful and to do so means being bigger and better than others. Howie Epstein? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickeyboro Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 22 minutes ago, casapete said: Howie Epstein? Yep! now of course no longer with us… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilorius Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Could be in some genres, but for me it's just to make my life more happier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH73 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Hit parade, haven't heard that term since 80s when we used to listen to radio and record songs on a cassette. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, casapete said: Howie Epstein? You know when you know you've written something that's not right, but are sure it's also nothing, that was one of those moments. Trouble is, I was thinking about The Big and Theory, which Mandel was in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.young Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 i'm currently preparing for the annual brass band area contest. So I'd say thats one aspect of music which is clearly competitive, and the quality of the competition tends to drive up standards for the bands that participate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1968 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StickyDBRmf Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Our band had a competition where whoever made it to the end of the song first, wins. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykesbass Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 6 hours ago, StickyDBRmf said: Our band had a competition where whoever made it to the end of the song first, wins. Followed up with whoever plays the loudest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolo Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 On 31/01/2023 at 17:17, Jon the Boat said: penguins and pangolins New band name! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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