Dad3353 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, Beedster said: Hang on, a drummer who speeds up, that's not something I've come across He didn't say that he speeds up, just that he plays faster than the original. ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maude Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Beedster said: Hang on, a drummer who speeds up, that's not something I've come across He's actually (looks over shoulder to make sure he can't hear) the best drummer I've played with, used to do session work around London, and told Nick Heyward his band was gay when he wanted him for Haircut 100. He was in both my bands but had a heart attack earlier in the year and has had to quit the Mod/Ska band. We were telepathic with each other and I'm now at that point were you realise you'll probably never find that special drummer again. Edited November 18, 2020 by Maude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, Dad3353 said: He didn't say that he speeds up, just that he plays faster than the original. ... I think you'll find that if he plays it faster than the original then he speeds it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, Maude said: He's actually (looks over shoulder to make sure he can't hear) the best drummer I've played with, used to do session work around London, and told Nick Heyward his band was gay when he wanted him for Haircut 100. He was in both my bands but had a heart attack earlier in the year and has had to quit the Mod/Ska band. We were telepathic with each other and I'm now at that point were you realise you'll probably never find that special drummer again. Sorry to hear that mate, hope he gets back to playing. I've only ever had that thing with one drummer, and I listen to the recordings occasionally and they're the ones on which my bass playing - and arguably the whole band - sounds best. It can be make or break for a band 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Beedster said: I think you'll find that if he plays it faster than the original then he speeds it up Ah, I forgot for a moment that you're a Bassist. To me, as a Drummer, I make a distinction between 'speeding up' and 'speeding it up'. Sorry, 'my bad' as I'm told the youf of today say; it won't happen again. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_lefty Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 I haven't finished it yet but I came across a pod cast where Guy Pratt and Martin Kemp are hosting and they're interviewing John Taylor. He was talking to his peers as if it wasn't an interview, just a chat, and it was really insightful. He talked about wanting to emulate the great recording rhythm sections and how he and the drummer (who's name I have forgotten) and nobody else in the room would spend ages just practicing fills to get them perfectly tight so that they could smash it in all rehearsals and song writing sessions. That struck a (bass) chord with me as a brilliant way to practice with a drummer rather than trying to improve and stay on each others rhythm changes. Made me respect him as a player more than I already do. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor J Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Got a link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bam Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 JT is a fantastic player and musician. To come up with those lines in the first place is brilliance. The little clips he put out in the summer were superb. Clearly shows how he evolved the songs with his rhythm section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 I miss the days when mainstream pop stars, sneered at by 'music lovers', were actually crap-hot musicians. Looking back, we didn't know how lucky we were. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, wateroftyne said: I miss the days when mainstream pop stars, sneered at by 'music lovers', were actually crap-hot musicians. Looking back, we didn't know how lucky we were. Yeah, I was one of those who sheered, probably fuelled by my then girlfriend’s infatuation with JT. I simply knew he couldn’t play, and that the bass was all done by Nick Rhodes’ keyboards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowla Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Even back then, when I was into rock & prog (and still am!), I liked their stuff (and still do!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedster Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 JT plays it live, but not on the album. Randy Jackson signed an NDA, so he won't talk about it.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munurmunuh Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 On 09/01/2016 at 10:53, spectoremg said: Why is this bass line at a different pitch to the faint track in the background? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blamelouis Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 If you watch footage of Duran live he uses fingers to play it. I always wondered if it wasn't Andy Taylor who came up with the bassline and John who played it. JT also played some cracking basslines on the Rio album Last chance on the stairway is very similar to Rio and New Religion is a great playalong track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 I think he has a very “pick” tone in his fingers, he might be using his nails also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilebodgers Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 That's interesting - there is a mistake/overdub at 2:26. I'd not spotted that before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, nilebodgers said: That's interesting - there is a mistake/overdub at 2:26. I'd not spotted that before. Back in the day, when I had a good listen to the isolated track, I noticed this as well. On 10/01/2016 at 14:54, lowdown said: Just had another listen - there is at least one drop in. Edited July 4, 2021 by lowdown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowla Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Geek99 said: I think he has a very “pick” tone in his fingers, he might be using his nails also Though the notes there sound pick-like, that's harder to play with a pick than fingers, it sounds to me like he's "digging in" there a bit, which is more natural with fingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 I’ve watched him play and he’s very snappy with his fingers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveK Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 I'm a little confused about this "isolated" bass track! Assuming that the leakage we hear is going into JT's cab mic from studio monitors. And assuming, that drums, bass guitar and basic rhythm tracks were the first to be recorded. Then, the leakage we hear would be of something very basic. Just drums, a guide vocal, basic keys and guitar, perhaps. What we actually hear is, what sounds like the finished track, with vocal harmonies, keyboard overdubs etc. It sounds like JT's bass was the last thing recorded, and he was playing to a "final" mix. I don't know many musicians that would be happy playing to a "final" mix. Something doesn't add up! Of course, having said all that, the answer could simply be that it isn't just an "isolated" bass track🤔. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelus Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Actually sounds like a ProTools plugin, that has removed almost all other tracks with computer trickery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassintheface Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 has this 'query' been answered and have the collective 'we' come to a satisfactory conclusion now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor J Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 On 04/07/2021 at 13:52, SteveK said: I'm a little confused about this "isolated" bass track! Assuming that the leakage we hear is going into JT's cab mic from studio monitors. And assuming, that drums, bass guitar and basic rhythm tracks were the first to be recorded. Then, the leakage we hear would be of something very basic. Just drums, a guide vocal, basic keys and guitar, perhaps. What we actually hear is, what sounds like the finished track, with vocal harmonies, keyboard overdubs etc. It sounds like JT's bass was the last thing recorded, and he was playing to a "final" mix. I don't know many musicians that would be happy playing to a "final" mix. Something doesn't add up! Of course, having said all that, the answer could simply be that it isn't just an "isolated" bass track🤔. https://moises.ai/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, bassintheface said: has this 'query' been answered and have the collective 'we' come to a satisfactory conclusion now? Well...you can never disprove a conspiracy theory there's always the 'no ones allowed to talk about it' defence. But realistically, after nearly 40 years and countless biographies, autobiographies and interviews with the people involved in making the track, from the band to the studio crew and the band's management, if John didn't play on it I reckon someone would have let it slip by now. Edited July 5, 2021 by Cato 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassintheface Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) On 05/07/2021 at 15:51, Cato said: Well...you can never disprove a conspiracy theory there's always the 'no ones allowed to talk about it' defence. But realistically, after nearly 40 years and countless biographies, autobiographies and interviews with the people involved in making the track from the band to the studio crew and the band's management, if John didn't play on it I reckon someone would have let it slip by now. I can ask a 'friend' who will know....... Edited July 27, 2021 by bassintheface privacy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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