Pete Academy Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) It may be just me, but I don't think so. I used to always go to this forum to find some interesting stuff and good debate, albeit sometimes controversial. That's what attracts people, in my opinion. Just lately, I don't see the usual suspects (you know who you are) very often. I recently started a thread that was mildly controversial and was pulled up almost immediately on it. Is it just me? Fair enough if it is, but it mainly seems like stuff for sale and little else. Edited November 23, 2011 by Pete Academy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Just remember it's a bass guitar forum, Pete. I would be worried if people were attracted by 'sometimes controversial' off topic stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Fair point ped, but I think I know what Pete means - I guess it's the difference between a real community or just another specialist forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Academy Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 I understand this, Ped, but where have the older posters gone? Maybe it is just me. Apologies if so. I'm not trying to drum up trouble, but maybe the newer generation are taking over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftybassman392 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I'm not even sure that many of the basses are selling... Having said that, I do try to get involved in the off topic debates; and it does seem to me that people are generally better able to keep a discussion (even a controversial one) going without resorting to mudslinging. Could be that I'm just reading the wrong threads of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 if you want controversial tittle-tattle, there's always the Daily Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykesbass Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1322084803' post='1446444'] if you want controversial tittle-tattle, there's always the Daily Mail. [/quote] Funny how it seems to have gone in a bit of a cycle - IMO it went from controversial but everyone seeming to know where most people stood and could deal with it to it getting quite nasty and now, as you say, a little on the bland side. What we need is a really great thread - Funk & Groove anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary mac Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 For me the feel of Bass Chat has certainly changed in recent times and not for the better. Ironically I guess it's due to it's success and growth. I still enjoy and visit every day though. I've found selling on here of late a real trial, mostly due to dealing with newbies. It has been time consuming, tedious and ultimately a frustrating waste of time. Shame really as I feel very reluctant now to deal with new comers, which is probably not very fair. Still think the owners and mods do a sterling job and I dont want to cause any offence to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 [quote name='gary mac' timestamp='1322087494' post='1446488'] For me the feel of Bass Chat has certainly changed in recent times and not for the better. Ironically I guess it's due to it's success and growth. [/quote] To be fair, there's a thread along these lines every year or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 [quote name='Pete Academy' timestamp='1322082296' post='1446405'] It may be just me, but I don't think so. I used to always go to this forum to find some interesting stuff and good debate, albeit sometimes controversial. That's what attracts people, in my opinion. Just lately, I don't see the usual suspects (you know who you are) very often. I recently started a thread that was mildly controversial and was pulled up almost immediately on it. Is it just me? Fair enough if it is, but it mainly seems like stuff for sale and little else. [/quote] Well, at time of writing there's a net two users who would rather click on a down arrow than have a conversation with you. Negative rep for expressing an opinion which is neither objectionable or anti-social. Way to go, whoever you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 [quote name='neepheid' timestamp='1322088764' post='1446508'] Well, at time of writing there's a net two users who would rather click on a down arrow than have a conversation with you. Negative rep for expressing an opinion which is neither objectionable or anti-social. Way to go, whoever you are. [/quote] Yes, it's the anonymous negging of Pete's post that is anti-social and objectionable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus27 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I agree with you Pete. There does seem to be a lack of topics by a lot of the usual gang. I used to be able to spend all day trying to keep tabs of all the topics but now I can do it in an hour or so. Plus as has pointed out, the pos/neg voting system I think is really killing the need to post replies and keep topics alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
risingson Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 [quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1322089025' post='1446515'] Yes, it's the anonymous negging of Pete's post that is anti-social and objectionable. [/quote] Which definitely serves to highlight my main qualm about the reputation system; if you object to a post or poster, surely it's better to confront the issues raised with reasoned debate rather than click the red 'down' button. It's really silly, if this is meant to be a forum, don't offer the ones who don't want to participate properly by giving them the ability to damn a post with one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteb Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Pete Academy' timestamp='1322082296' post='1446405'] It may be just me, but I don't think so. I used to always go to this forum to find some interesting stuff and good debate, albeit sometimes controversial. That's what attracts people, in my opinion. Just lately, I don't see the usual suspects (you know who you are) very often. I recently started a thread that was mildly controversial and was pulled up almost immediately on it. Is it just me? Fair enough if it is, but it mainly seems like stuff for sale and little else. [/quote] [quote name='ped' timestamp='1322082648' post='1446412'] Just remember it's a bass guitar forum, Pete. [/quote] Not sure if I totally agree there! If you want controversy, just head over to Off Topic! There are a few people regularly posting there (some who wouldn't know one end of a bass guitar from the other) pedaling a reactionary political view point on a whole range of subjects, which can at times get quite unpleasent Indeed, sometimes it can get like the readers comments on the Mail Online on a bad day! Edited November 23, 2011 by peteb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) [quote name='neepheid' timestamp='1322088764' post='1446508'] Well, at time of writing there's a net two users who would rather click on a down arrow than have a conversation with you. [/quote] [quote name='Linus27' timestamp='1322089158' post='1446518'] ...the pos/neg voting system I think is really killing the need to post replies and keep topics alive. [/quote] Sorry to be OT in er... General Bass Discussion, but reaction to the rep system has cropped up in various threads now, not just the threads relating to it... I think that 1) it is preventing people from posting in the first place and 2) skewing what people say if they do post. Though it looks like it won't be a problem for too much longer. Edited November 24, 2011 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 i think we should all cut this crap, grow some balls, sell our basses and learn classical guitar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvia Bluejay Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) I'm a newbie here but a veteran on other forums (for instance, I've been a member of one of them for 11 years now), and I can assure you that the vocal majority on any site does tend to change as time goes by. It's not always a case of evolution, sometimes (often?) it's actually involution, for instance if many of the good old posters are driven away by new, aggressive posters who, however, aren't aggressive enough for the mods to justify kicking them out altogether. Other times it's life that gets in the way, for instance in those cases where many of the regulars are more or less the same age and leave school/find a new job/get married/have kids or whatever. Doesn't apply here, though. Any forum needs to hit the right balance between technical/specialised topics and general interest threads in order to retain a wide audience. Controversy usually puts bums on seats, so to speak, so in general (but not necessarily here) some troublemakers are tolerated unless they seriously cross the line. I voted against the reputation system here, but my impression is that it's been up for too little time to have a big influence on the atmosphere on the forum - happy to stand corrected if I'm talking rubbish... I have no solution to suggest, but I would like to say that, judging from what I've seen in my first few weeks as a member, I like this community, and yes, it definitely [b]is[/b] a community. As such, I'm sure it will assimilate the new arrivals and move on with no lasting damage. Edited November 24, 2011 by bluejay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Nice post Bluejay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo0tsy Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Hi, I'm a (newish) newbie on here too, but have so far found this forum really useful and usually take a look at what's new every day. I signed up to Basschat to help me find a bass, get the right gear, and, as a novice find out more about what great basslines to play and hear more about great bassists, & get some good tips. For me, Basschat does exactly what it says on the tin and it's a great forum. If it is a thread that doesn't interest me, then I stop reading it. There's a wide range of discussions on here and you can't like everything all the time. As for the Off Topic stuff I have to admit I rarely look at this as I use Basschat primarliy as a bass forum, and if I wanted a general chat then I'd join Twitter or the likes... I do agree with several previous posts that the rep system though doesn't really work though. If you disagree with something then surely it's better to reply why you disagree rather than anonymously negatively repping. Some bright anonymous spark will probably give me a negative rep for this now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Thanks BoOtsy, I'm glad the forum is working for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarky Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) I now post very infrequently (other than in FS/Feedback columns, there's a surprise!) as I have found the atmosphere has changed. Yes I know a thread says that every year but I am now in my fourth year of membership and I genuinely believe that to be the case. The tipping point for me was arguing with a troll past midnight on a Friday night and suddenly realising that this is plain ridiculous. Also, to be fair, I was spending way to much time here and not enough time actually playing bass or interacting with my family. I will say, though, that the double bass forum is full of friendly helpful people and has never, to my mind, crossed any lines. Wonder what that says? Edited November 24, 2011 by Clarky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus27 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 As I was writing my reply to this thread Clarky, you were one of the people in my head who I had noticed were posting a lot less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakenewmanbass Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I think in most cases the fatigue is in the perception of the participant, the site offers (to my mind at least) the same as it ever did. Which is only good as far as I can see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I've not really noticed any change as I tend to stay out of off-topic. It's the same old stuff over and over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus27 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1322130950' post='1446791'] I've not really noticed any change as I tend to stay out of off-topic. It's the same old stuff over and over again. [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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