Stolen Limelight Precision...

[Reggaebass]

5 minutes ago, Chris26 said:

Hi everyone, I think I’ve come across your bass in a live auction with Wellers Auctions in Guildford. I check their listings from time to time for instruments, and this one caught my eye due to the very limited information provided. A quick Google reverse image search led me to this forum. The auction ends tomorrow, so it may be worth contacting them ASAP. I really hope you’re able to recover the bass. Chris

Great work 

[miles'tone]

18 minutes ago, Chris26 said:

Hi everyone, I think I’ve come across your bass in a live auction with Wellers Auctions in Guildford. I check their listings from time to time for instruments, and this one caught my eye due to the very limited information provided. A quick Google reverse image search led me to this forum. The auction ends tomorrow, so it may be worth contacting them ASAP. I really hope you’re able to recover the bass. Chris

Have you pm'd the OP? He might not see this quick enough!

[dmccombe7]

WOW that's a fantastic find. Well done.

Hope it gets returned to its rightful owner and that some poor sod doesn't buy it thinking its genuine and then loses his money when the police return it to its owner.

Also hope the seller gets caught, charged and loses his job over this. No sympathy for thieving B's.

Dave 

[wateroftyne]

Nice one!

 

My God, that bass is pretty.

[Reggaebass]

I dropped Edlong21 a pm just in case he doesn’t see the thread 

[wateroftyne]

I've emailed Wellers, FWIW.

[hiram.k.hackenbacker]

It’s listed under “unclaimed goods from a major courier”

[Steve Browning]

Unclaimed from a major UK courier!!

[Dunk]

Excellent detective work.. hope Mark or Edlong21 see this asap and can make the right calls in the morning to get this back.. and find out who the thieving b*stard is! 

[Kev]

That's unbelievable, unclaimed goods?!

[binky_bass]

I've also emailed the auction house just so they have it from multiple sources and don't consider one email to be enough to hold it from sale (which they absolutely should!)

 

Hopefully this gets back in the hands of the owner!

 

I'd still take this up with the Parcelforce CEO email addresses I provided, I'd expect decent compensation is due for the ridiculousness of how this ended up at an auction house!

 

Fantastic spot though... 

[Lozz196]

I hope either Mark or Edlong21 call the police re this.

[warwickhunt]

33 minutes ago, wateroftyne said:

I've emailed Wellers, FWIW.

 

Good idea.  I've done likewise; they can't ignore multiple messages... hopefully.

 

[Kev]

1 minute ago, binky_bass said:

I've also emailed the auction house just so they have it from multiple sources and don't consider one email to be enough to hold it from sale (which they absolutely should!)

 

Hopefully this gets back in the hands of the owner!

 

I'd still take this up with the Parcelforce CEO email addresses I provided, I'd expect decent compensation is due for the ridiculousness of how this ended up at an auction house!

 

Fantastic spot though... 

 

I have also emailed, I think it would be of real help if we all did.

[Sean]

11 minutes ago, Lozz196 said:

I hope either Mark or Edlong21 call the police re this.

Basschat award for the detective work.  Brilliant.

 

Just be careful that plod doesn't follow the law and dispose of the goods. That would not be a happy ending to this story. 

 

Legally standing Wellers is currently selling stolen and counterfeit goods. 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Sean

[Kev]

Yeah, it's such a shame Mark puts the Fender logo on, as that could cause real issues here I feel, not least because the auction house has used the name too.

[Sean]

16 minutes ago, warwickhunt said:

 

Good idea.  I've done likewise; they can't ignore multiple messages... hopefully.

 

It looks to be a real bottom-feeder amongst auction houses. Just read the way everything is worded on the website, it's all threatening and warning and fees and BS. 

[warwickhunt]

I might be simplifying it but as I see it, it is all about the disposal of stolen goods... or at least goods not owned by the seller; rather than counterfeit et al.

[Aidan63]

This happens all too often, the parcel companies dispose of goods through the auction houses instead of actually doing due diligence and tracing items back and cross referencing with the lost and missing reports because to do the job properly is time consuming, requires humans, though tbf AI might help, and does not benefit their bottom line. You can be absolutely sure the auction house is indemnified by the parcel company and won't be responsible for auctioning goods which rightfully do not belong to the parcel company. Its what happens when the parcel company is owned by an overseas billionaire instead of the people of this country. And the politicians care not a jig, all is fair in the pursuit of efficiency and revenue generation.

 

A friend of mine had 2 gearboxes disappear never to be found - doubtless disposed of via whichever auction house UPS Castle Donnington disposal passes through, and somebody got themselves 8 grands worth of very specialised transmissions/130kg scrap metal, doubtless for less than scrap price.

[Sean]

18 minutes ago, warwickhunt said:

I might be simplifying it but as I see it, it is all about the disposal of stolen goods... or at least goods not owned by the seller; rather than counterfeit et al.

There's the added complication of the goods being (in the eyes of the law) counterfeit or bearing an unlicensed trademark. It's illegal to steal and/or sell counterfeit goods and if due process is followed by police in the case that they are involved, the recovered will be assessed, categorised and if the boxes are ticked, they will be disposed of to remove counterfeit goods from the marketplace. 

 

Whether or not this particular bass will flag up as counterfeit is anyone's guess. It could slip through the net, get to the buyer and we all learn a lesson about applying decals to headstocks. 

 

If it doesn't, I guess things would have to be more like Nash Guitars.

Edited 1 hour ago by Sean

[warwickhunt]

3 minutes ago, Aidan63 said:

This happens all too often, the parcel companies dispose of goods through the auction houses instead of actually doing due diligence and tracing items back and cross referencing with the lost and missing reports because to do the job properly is time consuming, requires humans, though tbf AI might help, and does not benefit their bottom line. You can be absolutely sure the auction house is indemnified by the parcel company and won't be responsible for auctioning goods which rightfully do not belong to the parcel company. Its what happens when the parcel company is owned by an overseas billionaire instead of the people of this country. And the politicians care not a jig, all is fair in the pursuit of efficiency and revenue generation.

 

A friend of mine had 2 gearboxes disappear never to be found - doubtless disposed of via whichever auction house UPS Castle Donnington disposal passes through, and somebody got themselves 8 grands worth of very specialised transmissions/130kg scrap metal, doubtless for less than scrap price.

 

Say 'what'?  

 

[Sean]

24 minutes ago, Aidan63 said:

This happens all too often, the parcel companies dispose of goods through the auction houses instead of actually doing due diligence and tracing items back and cross referencing with the lost and missing reports because to do the job properly is time consuming, requires humans, though tbf AI might help, and does not benefit their bottom line. You can be absolutely sure the auction house is indemnified by the parcel company and won't be responsible for auctioning goods which rightfully do not belong to the parcel company. Its what happens when the parcel company is owned by an overseas billionaire instead of the people of this country. And the politicians care not a jig, all is fair in the pursuit of efficiency and revenue generation.

 

A friend of mine had 2 gearboxes disappear never to be found - doubtless disposed of via whichever auction house UPS Castle Donnington disposal passes through, and somebody got themselves 8 grands worth of very specialised transmissions/130kg scrap metal, doubtless for less than scrap price.

Business relies on the ignorance of the average punter. A classic case is Debt Collection Agencies. They don't buy debt from companies/councils etc at discount prices, that's BS, they buy data. They then pretend that the "debtor" owes them money, send threatening letters, knock on the door, "can't pay, take it away" etc and that's how they they make their money. What they don't have is a legally valid deed of assignment and without that they have no claim, they are nothing more than a 3rd party interloper that has processed personal data in breach of DPA 2018. They are all part of the system. It's all covered in case law, it's all out there in the open but there's an entire industry based on criminal offence that breaches tons of legislation and Martin Effin' Lewis doesn't tell us about it. This isn't conspiracy, it's how the system works. 

 

What parcel couriers and auction houses get up to is childsplay in comparison to councils, utility companies, banks etc

Edited 1 hour ago by Sean

[binky_bass]

5 minutes ago, Sean said:

What parcel couriers and auction houses get up to is childsplay in comparison to councils, utility companies, banks etc

Oil companies... What they've done over the years is complete and utter unfathomable bastardry. 

[Jean-Luc Pickguard]

It is listed in an auction of "Unclaimed Goods from a Major UK Courier Network."

 

Seems like a nice little racket Parcelforce have going on - take in goods they won't have to cover for loss due to the small print no one sees, and instead of delivering the item, auction it off and trouser the proceeds along with the original delivery fee and useless insurance fee. Easy money!

[binky_bass]

5 minutes ago, Jean-Luc Pickguard said:

It is listed in an auction of "Unclaimed Goods from a Major UK Courier Network."

 

Seems like a nice little racket Parcelforce have going on - take in goods they won't have to cover for loss due to the small print no one sees, and instead of delivering the item, auction it off and trouser the proceeds along with the original delivery fee and useless insurance fee. Easy money!

Need to get Dispatches on the case if that program still operates!