BCH Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 https://www.torzalguitars.com/natural-twist Its bonkers...but cured my GAS! for now...highest quality construction, design & body fit ...sounds fab 35 degree twist (25* neck & 10* body) After 10 min playing & not looking down ...you cant see the top of the neck...I feel ready to do a gig tomorrow...what could go wrong ...ha 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killerfridge Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 That looks nuts, I love it! One of my students has a bass like that, but it's from Gear4Music and I don't think it's intentional... 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishfacefour Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 How does it feel? It hurts my eyes but it's intriguing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
How1 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) That's making my brain hurt 😁 Edited June 16, 2023 by How1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Wow that’s different, I’m having trouble seeing how the strings follow the fretboard, probably easier to see when you’re playing it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) I'm fascinated by these. Much like the esteemed Mr @Reggaebass I'm a bit baffled. I'm certain that somehow all the strings maintain a relationship with fretboard that's more or less orthodox, ie: lowest action at the nut gradually increasing evenly across each string to the bridge. But my eyes and brain can't quite work out how it does this when I look at the pics. Edited June 16, 2023 by Cato 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocco Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Very cool! Assuming they're Nordstrand big singles? I bet it sounds amazing too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 54 minutes ago, Cato said: I'm certain that somehow all the strings maintain a relationship with fretboard that's more or less orthodox, ie: lowest action at the nut gradually increasing evenly across each string to the bridge. But my eyes and brain can't quite work out how it does this when I look at the pics. Exactly Cato, it almost doesn’t look possible, kinda like an optical illusion, very cool though and I’d like to play one, great workmanship too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velarian Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Designed by M. C. Escher perhaps? 😉 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 I like the concept and fully understand the idea, but the price is totally delirious according to the fact that it's a CNC made instrument. 🤦🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tegs07 Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Hellzero said: I like the concept and fully understand the idea, but the price is totally delirious according to the fact that it's a CNC made instrument. 🤦🏻♂️ CNC made instruments only become really cheap when they are made in volume. I expect these are very limited runs as I have never seen one for sale in a music shop, online or being played live ever. Until this thread I had no idea they existed. Edited June 17, 2023 by tegs07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreadBin Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 14 hours ago, Killerfridge said: That looks nuts, I love it! One of my students has a bass like that, but it's from Gear4Music and I don't think it's intentional... I have a BC Rich with a similar issue. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.young Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 This has come up in the past. I did a search for 'Torzal' and got 4 pages of results. Including this one, it seems that @Happy Jack has tried one 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodiakblair Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 @BCH Congratulations on both finding relief from the wrist strain and a new bass 🙂 Those Torzal necks caught my attention a few years back, brilliant idea . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyJ Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Hellzero said: I like the concept and fully understand the idea, but the price is totally delirious according to the fact that it's a CNC made instrument. 🤦🏻♂️ Warwick says hi. I really like the concept of these torzal guitars! I think Lace made some too at one point, I think I recall the Lace Helix with a torzal twist neck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, tegs07 said: CNC made instruments only become really cheap when they are made in volume. I expect these are very limited runs as I have never seen one for sale in a music shop, online or being played live ever. Until this thread I had no idea they existed. Sorry, but $7800 USD is way too high for the basic neck through model especially CNC made, which means a one day job to totally finish it, when it would take at least close to a month to make it totally by hand. So even with single units, a CNC cuts everything down including the price. And as @LeftyJ said, Warwick says hi. 😉 Edited June 17, 2023 by Hellzero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwillett Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Hellzero said: Sorry, but $7800 USD is way too high for the basic neck through model especially CNC made, which means a one day job to totally finish it, when it would take at least close to a month to make it totally by hand. So even with single units, a CNC cuts everything down including the price. And as @LeftyJ said, Warwick says hi. 😉 People misunderstand how long it takes to set a CNC machine up. I built a CNC machine as a lock down project (see here https://forum.v1e.com/t/new-build-in-clapham-north-yorkshire-uk/16519) so have some experience here. I am not a professional in this area (or any other area 😀) It took a long time to build the CNC, but it takes an awful long time to design something that isn't just a simple engraving. If I wanted to do a house sign, thats pretty easy. Cutting space for pickups would be relatively easy as well. Anything that is complicated, such as the guitar above, could take a long, long time to design and get right. If they told me, it took 50 - 100 days to design and test, redesign and test, I wouldn't be at all surprised. I would expect them to create an awful lot of saw dust as well, I certainly did. A CNC machine makes sense in some areas, but it is not a cheap machine to buy (good ones are over £100K), they are not cheap to run, you tend to need a dedicated machinest, not cheap to design for, it takes real skill. Routing out pockets for pickups is fine, that work of beauty above is very difficult. I'm not bad with Fusion 360 and have designed some reaonably complex stuff, which tends to be square and lots of straight lines, but I wouldn't even know where to start in that guitar. This took over six months to design, test, redesign, retest. It's a magnetic, modular dust show for collecting waste from a CNC. it uses magnets to hold things together. It didn't work very well 🤐 Circa $8,000 doesn't sound that bad to be honest. Not cheap, but you pays your money and takes your choice. Thanks Rob 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 Everything depends of or even on your skills, of course @rwillett. A friend of mine entirely built a bass as a end of school project with the CNC machine they had there and it took him less time than building the same one by himself, which he did before. I used AutoCad 3D for myself many years ago and was able to recreate a violin top using the method of Antonio Bagatella (published in 1782, Padova, Italy) that you can find in the Nouveau manuel du luthier (Encyclopédie Roret, 1894) book with a mistake mentioned by the authors that I corrected (the system of measures used was a bit of nightmare to convert), but it didn't take me more than a few days and it's not my job. Another friend of mine who is an architect can generate a program to build an entire bass in less than a day as he's very skilled (that's the less you can say) and he did it for me once for an aborted project as renting the CNC was cost prohibitive for me. So, yes it can be a trial, error, correct, retrial, recorrect and repeat process, but not if you really master all the process, which CNC operators should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 A New Bass Day thread, which the OP is pleased with and it’s descended into negativity. Why can’t we just be pleased for the OP and perhaps start a different thread where the issues raised here can be discussed? @BCH congrats on your purchase, may your GAS remain in abeyance for a goodly while; it messes with my head . 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwillett Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 I apologise and I will withdraw rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 Since when a thread is not derailing on BassChat... And here it's a soft and nice one. Don't withdraw anything @rwillett. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles'tone Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 Looks amazing and bonkers! How does it help with the wrist strain? Sorry if it's obvious but my eyes are straining trying to work it out 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 I'd love to see a multiscale one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazycloud Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 I'd like to try one of these Torzal basses, but I don't really see the ergonomic benefits if you play the instrument more vertically where you naturally get a better fretting hand wrist angle. Bit of a solution looking for a problem. but, I haven't had on in my hands and am prepared to be wrong. But I'd be surprised if I was, especially to justify the entry fee. That said, it's not mine so I hope BCH loves it. PS: needs more strings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCH Posted June 18, 2023 Author Share Posted June 18, 2023 I gigged the Torzal yesterday 2.5hr gig. The sound eng was happy with the powerful tone (no twisted notes..ha) I sing so have to rely on knowing position...forgot it was different...any errors would have been made with any bass As mentioned before going from 30" to this 34" scale..felt identical End of gig no wrist ace...and surprisingly no splits in plucking fingers. Thingking about this afterwards...I think the way it makes you flatten your hand, makes you stroke or pluck softly The only issue - the action was to low ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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