Doctor J 2,132 Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) Nice to see Cliff getting some recognition, a very underrated bassist. Few sit quite as deep in the pocket as he. Edited September 29, 2020 by Doctor J 11 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lozz196 4,697 Posted September 29, 2020 Def, the master at providing a solid foundation, and understanding the need to keep out of the way when you have a genius guitarist. Could probably say the same of Malcolm Young as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theyellowcar 27 Posted September 29, 2020 EB are really going for it with the signature models at the moment! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BassApprentice 479 Posted September 29, 2020 They've finally realised how print money. Whilst most signature models are divisive, it's enough to push some fans of said artists over the edge and pay the premium for the model. That's a pretty one though! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyTravis 6,509 Posted September 29, 2020 Factory relic stingray classic... mhmm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lozz196 4,697 Posted September 29, 2020 It’s certainly ignited my Stingray lust again. Never had a 2eq Stingray, may well look into that as love the playability of the Stingray but the 3eq ones I’ve had I just couldn’t tame the Rayness, maybe easier on a 2. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kyuuga 105 Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) Personally I dislike signature basses. I think they're just marketing moves and having someone's "signature bass" doesn't make you play or sound like them. And it's certainly not very different from having a regular bass of the same kind (which is what exactly the signature bass was before it touched the player's hands). I loved Musicman's approach of "no signature pieces" when it came to their basses, it really struck out to me because everywhere I looked (*ahem* Fender) there seemed to be a ton of signature basses which provided virtually nothing new from normal basses. HOWEVER, I do understand that companies need to make money and signature basses for them are almost "guaranteed" sells, especially when it comes to a giant band like AC/DC which has millions of followers. And I think MM took a first step into the signature world with their Joe Dart Musicman Bass which was quite refreshing (different from any Stingray/Sterling bass) and they made few copies - very overpriced, but still... I just hope they don't go the same way as their guitar deparment which is bloated with signature models from players who I had never heard of (nothing against them, just saying) and they offer virtually nothing different. All the power to Musicman though, it's their company and I'll support them as long as they don't go out of their way to create signature pieces just for money and leave the original basses behind (ex: Fender between the late 2000's and now...the Mexican Precision bass was severely left behind while they kept creating innumerous signature models for no reason). Edited September 30, 2020 by kyuuga Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jezzaboy 657 Posted September 30, 2020 Cliff is the man for me. He is such a modest guy but plays exactly what is needed for the song, which for me is what bass playing is all about. 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doctor J 2,132 Posted October 1, 2020 All downstrokes. Nice 😎 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuzzie 3,104 Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, kyuuga said: Personally I dislike signature basses. I think they're just marketing moves and having someone's "signature bass" doesn't make you play or sound like them. And it's certainly not very different from having a regular bass of the same kind (which is what exactly the signature bass was before it touched the player's hands). I loved Musicman's approach of "no signature pieces" when it came to their basses, it really struck out to me because everywhere I looked (*ahem* Fender) there seemed to be a ton of signature basses which provided virtually nothing new from normal basses. HOWEVER, I do understand that companies need to make money and signature basses for them are almost "guaranteed" sells, especially when it comes to a giant band like AC/DC which has millions of followers. And I think MM took a first step into the signature world with their Joe Dart Musicman Bass which was quite refreshing (different from any Stingray/Sterling bass) and they made few copies - very overpriced, but still... I just hope they don't go the same way as their guitar deparment which is bloated with signature models from players who I had never heard of (nothing against them, just saying) and they offer virtually nothing different. All the power to Musicman though, it's their company and I'll support them as long as they don't go out of their way to create signature pieces just for money and leave the original basses behind (ex: Fender between the late 2000's and now...the Mexican Precision bass was severely left behind while they kept creating innumerous signature models for no reason). Not all Sig models (across different companies) are just production models with a name tagged on, they are different. Doug Wimbish Spector has its own neck profile, Sandberg models have subtly different pick up placements and bits compared to the ‘standard’ model it is based on. For me, I’ll assess something on its merits sig or not This bass looks cool - congrats to him Edited October 1, 2020 by Cuzzie 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Musicman20 115 Posted October 1, 2020 Most of the 'signature' models by Musicman (guitar side) are extremely unique, and are not pre-existing designs. Even the artist versions of say the Stingray guitar have significant changes. Examples: - Albert Lee SSS/HH, - St Vincent - HH or Mini HHH. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bleat 310 Posted October 1, 2020 Not a fan of the Stingray bass but am massive fan of Cliff's no nonsense solid playing. In fact he did some pretty interesting lines on Back In Black and For Those About To Rock. He's the main reason I took up bass in the first place. He thoroughly deserves this recognition, none more deserving IMO. 🤘 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jezzaboy 657 Posted October 1, 2020 I wonder how much? £3500 ish? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drTStingray 656 Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) It looks like it may be an exact copy (3 bolt, headstock truss rod) - in terms of price, given that Fender charge well over £3500 for the team built Pino Precision, then a similar price for one of these, which is easily as good if not better than a team built CS in terms of quality and comparative level of manual input would not be out of order, if this rather than a Precision tickles your fancy - we'll have to see what it retails for. All very interesting - and talking of Pino, how far from the Cliff Williams 79 to a well known fretless sunburst 79? Mmmm (not that I have any info - just wild day dreaming). I also happened on the spec of the Mike Herrera signature Stingray and mistakenly thought it was a special blue paint job on a standard 2 EQ Stingray - it's not - the electronics are different - wired straight to the Jack socket, bypassing the EQ. So an interesting twist and all these signature models are different from standard (including the John Myung six string). Edited October 2, 2020 by drTStingray Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hiram.k.hackenbacker 3,443 Posted October 2, 2020 Looks like they ran out of neck bolts as well as paint in the spray shop. I do love a Stingray, but I think I’ll pass. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warwickhunt 389 Posted October 2, 2020 20 hours ago, drTStingray said: ... in terms of price, given that Fender charge well over £3500 for the team built Pino Precision, then a similar price for one of these, which is easily as good if not better than a team built CS in terms of quality and comparative level of manual input would not be out of order, if this rather than a Precision tickles your fancy - we'll have to see what it retails for. Any Musicman picked straight off the production line will be as good/better build quality than 'team build' CS Fender bass. I've yet to see or hear of a Musicman that wasn't superbly finished and put together. Oh and I'm no fan-boy with a Musicman bass to sell or to inflate the value of; I've simply owned a few of them in my time and they are (very) well put together. ...in fact I may retract this statement as I'm trying to source a reasonably priced USA Sterling at the moment. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pineweasel 181 Posted October 2, 2020 23 hours ago, drTStingray said: I also happened on the spec of the Mike Herrera signature Stingray and mistakenly thought it was a special blue paint job on a standard 2 EQ Stingray - it's not - the electronics are different - wired straight to the Jack socket, bypassing the EQ. So an interesting twist and all these signature models are different from standard It’s a bit cheeky to charge an extra few hundred dollars to leave out the preamp and controls! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack 565 Posted October 2, 2020 27 minutes ago, pineweasel said: It’s a bit cheeky to charge an extra few hundred dollars to leave out the preamp and controls! You're paying for the dentistry not the electronics. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdLib-3 76 Posted October 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Jack said: You're paying for the dentistry not the electronics. That's the most pristine, least DIY punk rock set of gnashers I've ever seen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyTravis 6,509 Posted October 3, 2020 10 hours ago, EdLib-3 said: That's the most pristine, least DIY punk rock set of gnashers I've ever seen. 4 seconds. That’s all I could listen to. Teeth 😂 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack 565 Posted October 3, 2020 18 hours ago, EdLib-3 said: That's the most pristine, least DIY punk rock set of gnashers I've ever seen. 7 hours ago, AndyTravis said: 4 seconds. That’s all I could listen to. Teeth 😂 I'd strongly encourage you both to see past those beautiful American pearly whites and give Goldfinger a go, one of my favourite bands. Feldman is a great frontman and there's some nice bass parts too. Punk rock is a lot prettier than proper punk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lozz196 4,697 Posted October 3, 2020 On 29/09/2020 at 22:51, Lozz196 said: It’s certainly ignited my Stingray lust again. Never had a 2eq Stingray, may well look into that as love the playability of the Stingray but the 3eq ones I’ve had I just couldn’t tame the Rayness, maybe easier on a 2. Well just to update re this, have managed to score a 1987 2eq in my favoured black/maple colour scheme on the ‘bay. 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyTravis 6,509 Posted October 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Lozz196 said: Well just to update re this, have managed to score a 1987 2eq in my favoured black/maple colour scheme on the ‘bay. Saw one earlier £500 BIN £1000 hope it was that one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lozz196 4,697 Posted October 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, AndyTravis said: Saw one earlier £500 BIN £1000 hope it was that one? That’s the one Andy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyTravis 6,509 Posted October 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Lozz196 said: That’s the one Andy Great, really pleased for you mate - what a beauty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites