tauzero Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 You never know when they might come in handy, when you don't want to play the chromatic stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepurpleblob Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I blurted out in a band rehearsal last night, "Ooooh that run's a mixolydian scale". You should have seen the looks 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanol Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 As I am beginning with this "bigger guitar but with two missing strings" jobbie, I worked on something stratightfoward - the bassline to Daydream Believer by The Monkees. It's in G and the last two bars of the chorus descends thus A, G, F#, E, D, C, B, A. Which is a descending G Major scale, that just starts and finishes on A. What's not to like? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundfreedom Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I don't like scales. They make me feel fat. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teebs Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 17 minutes ago, Newfoundfreedom said: I don't like scales. They make me feel fat. Or fishy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 50 minutes ago, Newfoundfreedom said: I don't like scales. They make me feel fat. Or the wrong size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil.c60 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 And I'm no good at climbing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobthedog Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 5 hours ago, Newfoundfreedom said: I don't like scales. She was very good as Basil’s wife I thought. I play a five string: my 10-15 min warm up is mostly arpeggios across two octaves and then moving from minor to major scales on each string, again over two octaves. After that onto the choon of the week (I am not a gigging player but am slowly building my own set list for that eventual gig covering blues / metal / rock and jazz in each set!). Not sure why I posted that but I have. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Freeman Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I'm lazy. I know i should practise them more often but i find i just end up wandering off into songs or just wandering off completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbayne Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 7 hours ago, Deanol said: As I am beginning with this "bigger guitar but with two missing strings" jobbie, I worked on something stratightfoward - the bassline to Daydream Believer by The Monkees. It's in G and the last two bars of the chorus descends thus A, G, F#, E, D, C, B, A. Which is a descending G Major scale, that just starts and finishes on A. What's not to like? Dorian Mode. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 57 minutes ago, Hobbayne said: Dorian Mode. 👍 He's got a picture in his attic, you know. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreadBin Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Hobbayne said: Dorian Mode. 👍 AKA the Ozric Tentacles mode 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanol Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 9 hours ago, Hobbayne said: Dorian Mode. 👍 I don't think it is really. The whole tune is in G. The line descending from A to A is just a fill in the last two bars of the chorus. If it were a Dorian mode tune, I would expect the chords to be based around Am but they aren't, they are based around G major. It's just a 2-bar fill that happens to run down the G major scale that starts and ends with A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 Isn't that the very definition of A Dorian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, tauzero said: Isn't that the very definition of A Dorian? I think many people get confused about “the modes”. It really depends on what’s going on underneath. If I were playing the chords of G and C and playing A-A it’d still have a strong ‘Major’ Ionian quality. The chords have power over the scale sound. Switch the chords to Am and D7, the ‘mood’ of the music will change to that of a Dorian sound. or to put it another way, there’s a huge difference between playing the Dorian mode vs starting on the 2nd step of Ionian. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, tauzero said: Isn't that the very definition of A Dorian? Yes, it is, but there are other 'types', or uses, of modes in general, depending on the underlying context. Personally, I'd agree that, with what the OP describes, I'd call that Dorian, as a bass line. It's all a bit hazy, really, and there's no one, definitive, interpretation in these instances. I'd say it boils down to the intentions of the bass player; was he (or she...) 'thinking' Dorian, or simply playing diatonicaly from the Second..? Dunno, really. Does it matter..? Not very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH73 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 IMHO I don't see point practicing scales. It's not required for my playing style and I'm not a session musician. Happy to play by ear and improvise. I suppose it would improve my electric guitar solos, but this is for another topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 I'm just starting to learn about modes and scales and chord tones and such. It is fascinating, eye opening, fun, difficult, confusing, rewarding and educational in roughly equal parts. But my goodness it has improved my bass playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, stewblack said: I'm just starting to learn about modes and scales and chord tones and such. It is fascinating, eye opening, fun, difficult, confusing, rewarding and educational in roughly equal parts. But my goodness it has improved my bass playing. I totally agree and I found the more you involve yourself the more things make musical sense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanol Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 9 hours ago, Dood said: I think many people get confused about “the modes”. It really depends on what’s going on underneath. If I were playing the chords of G and C and playing A-A it’d still have a strong ‘Major’ Ionian quality. The chords have power over the scale sound. Switch the chords to Am and D7, the ‘mood’ of the music will change to that of a Dorian sound. or to put it another way, there’s a huge difference between playing the Dorian mode vs starting on the 2nd step of Ionian. This! You explained the concept properly,, whereas I failed miserably. I am playing using the bass score I found here... Free Bass Transcriptions - Daydream Believer (PDF) As you can see the last two bars of the chorus (where the A - A descending run is) are played over A major and D major. The last but one bar (the A major) probably does have a Dorian feel, but it only lasts one bar. Anyway, it's a nice little tune and knowing where the scale pattern falls under my fingers, means I can more easily play the run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coilte Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) If by "practicing scales" people mean aimlessly playing them from root to root all over the neck, then the benefits are going to be minimal. To me, REALLY knowing/practicing scales involves knowing how chords are derived from them, and also being able to harmonise a scale...especially the major one. To those who say they don't need to practice scales or to know some basic theory.... Yes, you will get by without either, but IMO theory is beneficial in learning the "nuts and bolts" of music and how it "works". Knowing a little basic theory never held anyone back...quite the opposite in fact. https://www.studybass.com/lessons/bass-chord-patterns/chord-tones-are-primary/ Edited January 31, 2019 by Coilte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickJ Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Coilte said: If by "practicing scales" people mean aimlessly playing them from root to root all over the neck, then the benefits are going to be minimal. ^^ this Knowing the scale / mode, how to play it and how it is constructed is important but what I have learnt the frustrating way is that unless you can apply it musically it has no value. I'm changing my approach to learning sclaes & modes by 1, doing some circle of fifth, two octave and chord tones over chord progression exercises mixed with a big chunk of time just jamming to backing tracks / songs with those scales and getting a feel wmcof what sounds good. The latter part is what is improving me as a player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MoJo Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 I've delved into the modes, chord tones, major and minor triads and major and minor pentatonics and it's made no difference to my playing whatsoever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coilte Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, MoJo said: I've delved into the modes, chord tones, major and minor triads and major and minor pentatonics and it's made no difference to my playing whatsoever Does knowing the alphabet and how to spell make any difference to how you speak ? 😉 Edited January 31, 2019 by Coilte 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 10 hours ago, Dad3353 said: Yes, it is, but there are other 'types', or uses, of modes in general, depending on the underlying context. Personally, I'd agree that, with what the OP describes, I'd call that Dorian, as a bass line. It's all a bit hazy, really, and there's no one, definitive, interpretation in these instances. I'd say it boils down to the intentions of the bass player; was he (or she...) 'thinking' Dorian, or simply playing diatonicaly from the Second..? Dunno, really. Does it matter..? Not very much. So it's rather like murder, because you've got to prove intent as well? 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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