Kiwi Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Hi everyone, We've had a Q&A sub forum with Ezoic up for a week now with only one question so on the assumption that this means no major concerns, I'm going to restart the ad trial for lurkers. But from Wednesday onwards you'll notice a pop up from Ezoic appearing even though you aren't seeing ads. Please don't be alarmed - it's a one-time thing for every browser and it's about compliance with the GDPR, not about seeking permissions by stealth. Jack @dewww has assured me that Ezoic don't mine data and sell it off to third parties on the sly. If you still have lingering doubts then, as I've mentioned previously in this thread, an Ad blocker will provide the best peace of mind for you if one isn't already installed in your browser. Feel free to drop me a message if you aren't sure how to install one and I'll try to help. The process will depend on which browser you have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Thanks for the 'heads up'; I'll be watching to see if there's any odd cookies popping up. All will depend on the way that cookies, if any, are presented, as 'essentiel for site to work properly' or 'optional, for legitimate use'. If the latter, it's a 'no go' for me without an opt-out. We'll see. Douglas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Hi kiwi, am I right in thinking this won’t affect me as a supporting member 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Luc Pickguard Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Do we get to choose which cookies we are sent? If so I prefer the ones with chunky chocolate chips. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, Jean-Luc Pickguard said: Do we get to choose which cookies we are sent? If so I prefer the ones with chunky chocolate chips. Maryland cookies all round I say 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choob.squeemer Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Hi bassers - it appears that I was the only one to ask questions to jack from Ezoic - which he answered I would be very interested to hear what Dad 3353 can see over in France when the ads are switched on again on Wednesday - lived over there for 9 years myself - but mainly to see if there is a difference to what we see here in UK with this common market departure , rules and regs seem to be a bit up in the air at present Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 42 minutes ago, choob.squeemer said: ... I would be very interested to hear what Dad 3353 can see over in France when the ads are switched on again on Wednesday ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 A one-time thing staying forever even after the acceptance of cookies! Come on, it is pure amateurism! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 I’ve accepted the pop up, how do I get rid of the orange privacy on the screen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Make the eye catching orange thing go away please. "Privacy"? Frankly, with it hanging around distracting me, I don't feel like I have any. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 ADDITIONAL - I got rid of it with uBlock Origin (right click on the orange blob, choose "Block Element", accept the settings that pop up (they work) and boom, it's gone. That's Chrome on the desktop, ymmv in other browsers/platforms. It would be better if we didn't have to get rid of it ourselves... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 I turned AdBlocker on again, what a pain in the àss to have to do such things because of plain amateurism from Ezoic. 🤐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloke_zero Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Some of the settings are disconcerting, especially the special features. I understand there is a cost to running the servers and all the good work that goes in to the site. This has just nudged me into paying my subscription again! But are all those privacy settings really required? It's all well and good to have an assurance that this information isn't being used, but as someone who is very careful with their privacy (out of cussedness as much as anything else) I feel uncomfortable with having my devices profiled etc. (Yes I have denied that permission, run uBlock Origin etc etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Who are the following, what do they do, and why can't we decline their cookies? Skimbit Ltd Confiant Inc. Visarity Technologies GmbH DoubleVerify Inc. Adssets AB Mirando GmbH & Co KG Integral Ad Science, Inc. Polar Mobile Group Inc. Telecoming S.A. Seenthis AB HUMAN Papirfly AS NEXD CHEQ AI TECHNOLOGIES Adjust Digital A/S Adnami Aps Adsolutions BV VRTCAL Markets Inc Kiosked Ltd Protected Media LTD Oracle Data Cloud - Moat Wagawin GmbH Bannernow, Inc. Jetpack Digital LLC Acxiom GeoEdge Ensighten IVO Media Ltd GeoProve Limited Redbranch, Inc dba Fraudlogix Sirdata Cookieless Silverbullet Data Services Group Terminus Software Inc. Stream Eye OOD adbalancer Werbeagentur GmbH PML Innovative Media SmartFrame Technologies Ltd Vyde Ltd. Somplo Ltd Sqreem Technologies Private Limited TMT Digital Inc dpa-infocom GmbH Brandhouse/Subsero A/S Convo Ink xpln.ai SAS AdInMo LTD streaMonkey GmbH Alkimi Frii ApS Zeit Agency ApS Sitewit, Corp AccountInsight Ltd Aderize, Inc. fraud0 GmbH Viomba Oy Channel99, Inc. Videobot Ltd Appstock LTD. Dando online LTD EMBRACE Systems GmbH Zuuvi ApS Some of the organisation names are a little disconcerting to say the least... 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3below Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Just encountered the pop up and thought I would use the manage the cookies option. The options and language used is either intentionally designed to confuse, not describe or is just amateurish. Given two choices: legitimate interest or consent. Both imply consent, no choice and no description of what is being consented too. Not a happy bunny on this development. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binky_bass Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 It's all purposefully obfuscatory language which is an attempt to confuse people into simply accepting. That behaviour is not something that the Basschat majority conform to so shouldn't be subjected to. 'This vendor stores cookies for up to 31536000 seconds'. They can also refresh that expiration once you've 'accepted' so that 1 year initial storage time is essentially moot. @Kiwi - Ezoics clearly are not a company who's morale compass points in the same direction at Basschat. There must be a better way? What do our yearly subscriptions need to be in order for Basschat to not need to partner with the devil? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 I'm in France, with a VPN running from a UK IP address. The message came up in English, and all options pre-ticked to acceptance, with no option to refuse all but 'essentials'. This, to me, is unacceptable, and does not ispire confidence in the motives of this outfit. During the initial Test phase, I laboriously went through all of it and 'un-ticked' it all. I am not willing to do this again. Whilst this remains, I shall not be participating in Basschat; I'll be back when it's gone, or not at all, whichever comes the sooner. Meanwhile, my avatar and signature will be changed to ... 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 57 minutes ago, 3below said: Just encountered the pop up and thought I would use the manage the cookies option. The options and language used is either intentionally designed to confuse, not describe or is just amateurish. Given two choices: legitimate interest or consent. Both imply consent, no choice and no description of what is being consented too. Not a happy bunny on this development. Totally agree with the above - looking at the consent form there is really no choice. The form and language is designed to confuse, the orange flag won’t go away when you’ve attempted to have as much privacy as possible. Can there simply be a way to say - no cookies or nosing in on my data please or is it merely a pretence of choice? Or is the choice to Basschat or not to Basschat? Now that is the question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloke_zero Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 If you're using firefox you can turn on Strict Tracking Protection which should block these. It's a sad fact of modern life that the commercial model for much of the internet is this data farming. Installing an adblocker like uBlock origin and disabling tracking is a must for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velarian Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 52 minutes ago, Dad3353 said: I laboriously went through all of it and 'un-ticked' it all. I am not willing to do this again. I did this and noticed that some of the “consent” boxes were pre-selected and greyed out so it’s impossible to withdraw your consent. Irrespective of the unfortunate UK position regarding GDPR, there are many users still within the jurisdiction of that regulation. The last time I had anything to do with that in my work, I’m pretty sure that consent has to be explicitly given and it’s not appropriate to pre-select the option, let alone deprive the user from deselecting it. As a supporting member it’s not entirely clear if I’m immune to any of this nonsense but regardless, the crass and apparently unlawful way this business partner operates gives me great concern. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atsampson Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 As someone who does ethics and data protection review for research projects as part of my day job, the interface design here is stunningly bad. In order to not consent to tracking, you have to individually click on dozens of tiny checkboxes - realistically, nobody is going to do that, so this is not meaningful consent. You need to ask a clear yes/no question, not attempt to force users into agreeing with what you want. (And, realistically, I think it's very unlikely that you can actually meet UK/EU data protection requirements if you are "sharing" data with that many "partners" - there is no way to do meaningful review.) 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 @Kiwi Is Ezoic a China based company? If so, better stop partnering with them as they absolutely don't know what GDPR means. Better check this as Ezoic is absolutely not respecting the GDPR cookies and trackers management: https://www.cookiebot.com/en/uk-ie-gdpr-cookies/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 I found the pop up massively unclear and misleading. The + or - sign and then a box for a consent tick. What happens if you leave the box unticked, but the plus sign remains? Conversely, what if the box is ticked, but you leave a minus sign? It should not be this opaque and smacks of prevarication. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3below Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 As per @binky_bass "What do our yearly subscriptions need to be in order for Basschat to not need to partner with the devil?" If subscribing can prevent this I will subscribe (as I stated in a post sometime ago). However the situation is still unknown. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choob.squeemer Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Interesting - so dad3355 went though and unticked boxes - so I am on safari - all the boxes didn't have ticks - does it mean I have to tick them to stop them as atsampson states ? also I wasn't automatically logged in - anyone else not automatically logged in ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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