basstech Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Yes I [i]know[/i] they're very good amps (I've got one), but they all apparently use an internal power/peak compression 'safety' system - which in effect can in reality nearly halve the RMS output from the amp.......I wish I'd read the smallprint...... Although it can sound 'loud', I did wonder why the basic amp sounded compressed (even without using the on-board compressor) .... Just think, the sound is compressed internally, u can compress it on the amp [i]and[/i] you may even have a nice rack compressor to compress it again.........does that turn the sound inside out? Now looking for new amp.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Yeah.. it's quite well documented now everywhere apart from TC's marketing. The compression bothers some people.. me, for example. Others are quite happy with the way the amp sounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Isn't it loud enough..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basstech Posted February 20, 2012 Author Share Posted February 20, 2012 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreeneKing Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I always thought that mine sounded 'loud enough' but to my ears 'something' wasn't quite right. Maybe this explains it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 [quote name='GreeneKing' timestamp='1329765837' post='1547023'] I always thought that mine sounded 'loud enough' but to my ears 'something' wasn't quite right. Maybe this explains it? [/quote] My experience exactly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Good grief!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime_BASS Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 [quote name='GreeneKing' timestamp='1329765837' post='1547023'] I always thought that mine sounded 'loud enough' but to my ears 'something' wasn't quite right. Maybe this explains it? [/quote] Indeed, I had the RH750. My band members all wondered why I went 'down' to 500 watts again with the LMTube. I always used with the compressor completely off and was never satisfied that it was off off. Like traction control in some cars. You can never really turn it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Hughes Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I had the Classic 450 for about a week. The compression side of things I didn't notice (never pushed it that hard) but what bugged me was the lack of high end. I understand that TC designed it this way but to me it made it a bit of a one-trick-pony. If that hi-end ceiling could have been defeat-able I'd probably still have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 [quote name='basstech' timestamp='1329763337' post='1546965'] Yes I [i]know[/i] they're very good amps (I've got one), but they all apparently use an internal power/peak compression 'safety' system - which in effect can in reality nearly halve the RMS output from the amp.......I wish I'd read the smallprint...... Although it can sound 'loud', I did wonder why the basic amp sounded compressed (even without using the on-board compressor) .... Just think, the sound is compressed internally, u can compress it on the amp [i]and[/i] you may even have a nice rack compressor to compress it again.........does that turn the sound inside out? Now looking for new amp.... [/quote] What cabs are you going through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 God Almighty, mine's deafeningly loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunsse Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) Also my experience, and i had the EXACT same feeling of compressed sound with a Little Mark II i once had. Edited February 20, 2012 by sunsse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basstech Posted February 20, 2012 Author Share Posted February 20, 2012 Hey Charic ..... Going through BC 2x12 and BC 2x10.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1329766327' post='1547033'] Good grief!! [/quote] Crack open a beer and watch this again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) No one mentioned the onboard system TC used to make the amp sound how it does before the recent Bass Gear Mag review. It is a LOT more than just 'compression', which many tend to simplify as it is. Read the docs on the TC site. Best test it thus: Line up a similar rated amp, (in my case it was a LM3, and also a Shuttle 9.0 which is 900W!) Take into consideration how the gain/master tapers work, (eg the LM3 is a full power at roughly 12 on the master, and then REALLY compresses and clamps down once you push it, with hard clipping). Use the same cab, bass, etc. Test. I did this. I had no reason to stick with the TC....it was actually MORE expensive than the others. What did I find out? Watt ratings mean very little. Management of power and heat management is very important in these types of amps. A good limiter, like the RH450, and the recent Genz Streamliner 900, make a massive difference. Out of all the amps, the 450 was louder, simple as that. If you don't like the tone, that's different. I think if you are hitting the limits of the RH750, something isn't right. Edited February 20, 2012 by Musicman20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB3000S Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Personally I don't fancy the tone and dynamics (or relative lack thereof) of the RH750, but plenty loud it definitely is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 [quote name='basstech' timestamp='1329770713' post='1547154'] Hey Charic ..... Going through BC 2x12 and BC 2x10.. [/quote] That may have something to do with it, through 2 x rs210 my RH450 managed to keep pace with a PA drums, Vocals, 200w orange guitar amp cranked. It's a loud beast but my only experience with the BC cabs was with a bassist tuned to drop G so I can't post a realistic opinion. I would try it with different cabs before giving up. Is it the RH450 or the RH750? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynepunkdude Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I'll stick to my OBT and the unbridled power of it, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Please beware power ratings. They don't mean what you think they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjones Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) My TC Classic 450 was plenty loud enough going through my BC212 - I never had it much above halfway on the master. I just really didn't get on with the sound of it. It just didn't have any low mid 'grunt' if you know what I mean. Edited February 20, 2012 by gjones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 [quote name='gjones' timestamp='1329777648' post='1547344'] My TC Classic 450 was plenty loud enough going through my BC212 - I never had it much above halfway on the master. I just really didn't get on with the sound of it. It just didn't have any low mid 'grunt' if you know what I mean. [/quote] Really?! How odd... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 [quote name='charic' timestamp='1329777990' post='1547357'] Really?! How odd... [/quote] +1...low mid kick is what I'd say the RH amps have in spades... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I'll stick with my £279 Hartke LH500 which is loud enough to wake the dead, with the right cab. If only Larry would get his finger out and make it weigh the same as a LM3 then it would be perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 The RH I tried really really reminded me of a good version of the Line 6 SVT model. Don't think that's a bad thing. I found it pretty loud enough, just didn't like it. It had the same subtle compression (or power management) that the bass Pod had. At the time it was a toss up between the RH and the puma I went for. However in terms of features the RH is pretty far ahead of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjones Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 [quote name='charic' timestamp='1329777990' post='1547357'] Really?! How odd... [/quote] The amp sounded as if you'd removed the sliders on a graphic equaliser at the punchy end of the spectrum. There was low bass and mid and a decent high end but however much I twiddled and widdled the knobs I couldn't find the specific low mid frequencies I was looking for. I thought it might have been the speakers but they now sound great with my ABM 500 so they weren't the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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