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1 hour ago, skankdelvar said:

Well, I'd like to be six inches taller and play like Jerry Jemmot but we can't always get what we want :)

Given that I was previously unaware of Mr Jemmott's contribution to the oeuvre, a state of affairs I have immediately rectified, I rather think (with due thanks to Skank) that I might be the take-home winner from this whole brouhaha...

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7 minutes ago, skankdelvar said:

Oh, ffs Ricky, you mentioned the War.

We'll have that chap here any minute going on about 'unjustifiable pride in militarism' and everything will go to sh*t.

Well, even more to sh*t than hithertofore.

Just don't display any more pictures of your 'war chest' and everything will be facking fine. 😬

(and actually, it was she who went on to bring up Bomber Harris and all that!) :facepalm:

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20 minutes ago, cheddatom said:

@Billy Apple did he happen to mention if the different kinds of ear plugs were any better or worse?

No. it was a short conversation in which he explained the full range of coverage that ears have. Essentially he (not me) said the whole ear needs to be covered. However, this in itself causes a problem as it's not always the safest not to be able to hear.

He said that fitting is one of the main problems of ear-plugs, but by that I'm saying that custom moulded will be better than off the shelf foam. Also there is a risk of damage to the eardrum due to inserting an object into the ear canal which he does not recommend. If you use reusable ones, use only once with clean hands and do not reuse disposable.

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1 minute ago, Muzz said:

I might be the take-home winner from this whole brouhaha

I rather think you are :)

In the pre-YT era Mr Jemmot released a teaching video which was - I regret - somewhat disappointing. There is a wealth of recorded material out there to explore and which indicates that Mr Jemmot is a very fine and nowadays overlooked bass player.

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1 minute ago, Billy Apple said:

No. it was a short conversation in which he explained the full range of coverage that ears have. Essentially he (not me) said the whole ear needs to be covered. However, this in itself causes a problem as it's not always the safest not to be able to hear.

...or at all practical, from the perspective of BC’s readership.

Did he offer any practical solutions for musicians?

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3 minutes ago, Billy Apple said:

No. it was a short conversation in which he explained the full range of coverage that ears have. Essentially he (not me) said the whole ear needs to be covered. However, this in itself causes a problem as it's not always the safest not to be able to hear.

He said that fitting is one of the main problems of ear-plugs, but by that I'm saying that custom moulded will be better than off the shelf foam. Also there is a risk of damage to the eardrum due to inserting an object into the ear canal which he does not recommend. If you use reusable ones, use only once with clean hands and do not reuse disposable.

It's interesting, I'd like to know more. Like I said wearing ear defenders can really affect me badly if there are lots of low frequencies in the room, where as the disposable foam ones never give me that feeling. I guess the moulded plugs would be a step up again. I wonder if there are certain kinds of ear defenders that are better than others? Mine are just the cheap 3M ones

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1 minute ago, skankdelvar said:

An unfortunate faux-pas on her account. Good job you saw the funny side.

Ya, she was telling me that everybody from 'that generation' in Dresden smoked cigarettes, due to the stress of being so comprehensively bombed in the war... I resisted countering with the whys and wherefores of 'who started it', partly due to the fact that she had my eyeballs in a vice at the time. 😬

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12 minutes ago, wateroftyne said:

...or at all practical, from the perspective of BC’s readership.

Did he offer any practical solutions for musicians?

Not a huge amount I'm afraid. Outside of either turning it down or wearing ear defenders. He also felt there was little (or nothing) available that does not interfere with frequencies. He also knew of ACS and certainly did not say... 'oh, they're c£@p' or anything.

Honestly, it was a 5 minute convo that made me consider how the ear fully works and that what we wear in the hope of being protected or safe may still pose risk.

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10 minutes ago, Billy Apple said:

I hear eyeball vice's are not safe.

No, I certainly wouldn't wear one to a gig... for instance, if Teebs was playing, I'd be wearing an NBC suit, noise-cancelling headphones and a welding helmet.

It's the only way to be sure. 👍

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3 minutes ago, Ricky 4000 said:

No, I certainly wouldn't wear one to a gig... for instance, if Teebs was playing, I'd be wearing an NBC suit, noise-cancelling headphones and a welding helmet.

It's the only way to be sure. 👍

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Ok, to add a bit of perspective and common sense to this thread, maybe the specialist meant as follows.....

I'll use random db figures just for example purposes only, not factual, but you'll see where I'm going.

And this is ONLY a guess at what the OP and specialist may have meant.

For clarity I'm a true believer in ear plugs.

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SCENARIO 1

Music is played and is measured at 70db. This is considered fine.

SCENARIO 2

Music is played and measured at 100db. This is considered harmful.

SCENARIO 3

Music is played and measured at 100db. This is considered harmful. BUT you are using a set of ear plug that give a 30db perceived reduction, which makes you feel as if it's at the same levels as 70db. However, due to the pressure levels you are still doing yourself harm as the music is now so loud you suffer the effects of bone conduction that you are not protected from.

 

Just my take on what he could have meant.

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15 hours ago, DoubleOhStephan said:

What @Billy Apple has said is proven medically - 

3.3 OCCLUSION EFFECT 

Occluding and sealing the ear with an earmuff or earplug (Berger, 1988) increases the efficiency with which bone-conducted sound is transmitted at frequencies below 2 kHz. This is called the occlusion effect.

When a musician sings or blows into the mouthpiece of an instrument, the 
sound is transmitted via the jaw to the bone surrounding the inner portion of the ear canal. 

I shall stop blowing into my bass forthwith.

I shall also reconsider taking the violin up again, but there are many, many reasons I shouldn't.

I was at the dental hygienist this morning, and when she was running the scaler around my upper teeth, this thread came to mind.

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