Danny Sapko discovers… (now including follow up vid that is worse!)

[TimR]

Scott has caught up...

 

 

 

[Judo Chop]

Reality isn't in fashion at the moment

[Count Bassy]

Is Scott morphing into Gary Lineker?

[Stub Mandrel]

Poor Scott really could do with a script. If only he could get straight to the point now and again.

[Mrbigstuff]

8 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said:

Poor Scott really could do with a script. If only he could get straight to the point now and again.

That’s his effort at stringing the listener along. Otherwise everyone would click out after 2 mins and he wouldn’t get his revenue.
 

All of these fellow YouTubers that have made videos are doing so to take a slice of the audience share. They may not make money off a video if they share audio from the whatever the guitarist is called, but they get the increase in subscribers and ratings, as well as a boost for their other videos that do make revenue.

 

And as for stealing licks and passing them off as your own, jazz soloists did this way back when. Only difference is they couldn’t transcribe them so easily note for note as most recordings were bootleg. As with any music you create, get it registered on PPL and PRS.

[jonnybass]

22 hours ago, BabyBlueSound said:

 

Jokes aside, I am sorry if I came off as condescending, that was not my goal. I do have a tendency of phrasing my stuff in unfortunate manners, but in reality I am less of an arse than I seem.

 

No worries @BabyBlueSoundwe can all do that. Especially on a forum where we are all passionate about music and basses  

[TimR]

Listening to the Scott podcast, they bring up a valid point.

 

800,000+ people have been taken in by a grifter, when real musicians have been honing their craft and working on building a following for years, this guy rolls up and essentially cheats his way to the top 5. 

 

Half of it is the fault of people who unquestioningly believe what they see on the Internet. Beato was, until the guy was sitting in front of him and exposed.

 

 

[Crusoe]

On 10/05/2025 at 12:28, Wolverinebass said:

 

 

Miming live is fraud to me. There's something that's been lost by all this and that's spontaneity. None of these clowns can play on the hoof. Like listen to a live album and you hear things being slightly messed up. That's gone now. 

I was watching an Art of Guitar YouTube video about mistakes in recordings, today. Stuff like "Cannonball" by the Breeders. A lot of bands these days would have removed the incorrect slide up on the bass at the beginning, for example.

[Wolverinebass]

5 minutes ago, Crusoe said:

I was watching an Art of Guitar YouTube video about mistakes in recordings, today. Stuff like "Cannonball" by the Breeders. A lot of bands these days would have removed the incorrect slide up on the bass at the beginning, for example.

It depends what the mistake is really.

 

Some people are morons for editing  stuff like that which actually sounds cool. I always say to people I produce, "You can have perfection or personality. You can't have both, so choose." Virtually always, bands or artists will choose the latter.

 

Those who drone on about "getting stuff perfect" are generally nightmares to work with and also have no filter as to decide when "that'll do" is the right thing to do. Then they wonder why it sounds slightly lifeless. Which is why I made a rule to not work on those types of records and weed out those folk.

[ezbass]

“Get back on E,” in Jean Genie, the ‘butt’ piano chord and laugh at the beginning of Roxanne, the random opera singer, picked up on Does Everyone Stare. All mistakes/unintended moments, but kept in by a smart producer/s are now ingrained, integral parts of those songs.

[Kyndainverse]

9 hours ago, Crusoe said:

I was watching an Art of Guitar YouTube video about mistakes in recordings, today. Stuff like "Cannonball" by the Breeders. A lot of bands these days would have removed the incorrect slide up on the bass at the beginning, for example.

 

I've always assumed that was intentional. I guess it show's that mistakes in music can make music better.

[Dad3353]

Unlike punctuation. 

 

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[Cosmo Valdemar]

12 hours ago, Crusoe said:

I was watching an Art of Guitar YouTube video about mistakes in recordings, today. Stuff like "Cannonball" by the Breeders. A lot of bands these days would have removed the incorrect slide up on the bass at the beginning, for example.

Is that bass at the start of Cannonball a mistake, really? 

[TimR]

It all depends on context.

 

If a mistake doesn't detract from the final article then you're not going to rerecord it. Back in the day you'd have to spend hours physically cutting and splicing tape, it was easier to recored the whole piece again. Then with ADAT you could find bits and punch in.

 

The last recording I did (using pro-tools) I made one audible mistake, really bad wrong note. It was fixed using auto-tune in seconds. The same note length, accent, everything, just the pitch altered for that single note.

 

Miming is not a problem if it's Top of the Pops. The technology and time constraints meant rotating and sound checking 10 bands for a 30 minute program wasn't practical and the idea was to showcase a single, not the band. Many singles would never have been reproduced live.

 

If I'm going to see a live show, I want to see no miming(singing or playing), whether it's a band in a pub, Madonna or a West End Show. Others may expect something else. I'd rather watch Maddonna (or others of that style) sing and dance less than dance more and mime. That's what the dancers are for. 

 

My brother has seen both Prince and David Gray restart songs because of various issues. That's live music for you. 

 

And people should be upfront about it.

[Stub Mandrel]

4 minutes ago, TimR said:

It all depends on context.

 

If a mistake doesn't detract from the final article then you're not going to rerecord it. Back in the day you'd have to spend hours physically cutting and splicing tape, it was easier to recored the whole piece again. Then with ADAT you could find bits and punch in.

 

The last recording I did (using pro-tools) I made one audible mistake, really bad wrong note. It was fixed using auto-tune in seconds. The same note length, accent, everything, just the pitch altered for that single note.

 

Miming is not a problem if it's Top of the Pops. The technology and time constraints meant rotating and sound checking 10 bands for a 30 minute program wasn't practical and the idea was to showcase a single, not the band. Many singles would never have been reproduced live.

 

If I'm going to see a live show, I want to see no miming(singing or playing), whether it's a band in a pub, Madonna or a West End Show. Others may expect something else. I'd rather watch Maddonna (or others of that style) sing and dance less than dance more and mime. That's what the dancers are for. 

 

My brother has seen both Prince and David Gray restart songs because of various issues. That's live music for you. 

 

And people should be upfront about it.

 

The other night I was adding new bass lines to someone else's material, much of it on the fly. We were making rough guide recordings in garageband. I aimed to get one good take of each section, which could then be cut and pasted to make the full song.

[tinyd]

13 hours ago, TimR said:

Listening to the Scott podcast, they bring up a valid point.

 

800,000+ people have been taken in by a grifter, when real musicians have been honing their craft and working on building a following for years, this guy rolls up and essentially cheats his way to the top 5. 

 

Half of it is the fault of people who unquestioningly believe what they see on the Internet. Beato was, until the guy was sitting in front of him and exposed.

 

 

I think they did a good job of distillling it down the the main point - that it's not OK to mime a video of you playing something that you can't actually play in real life. All of the other stuff about miming, cleaning up parts on recordings etc are justifiable as long as you can actually deliver in real life. 

Also, in general, I would much prefer to watch clips of people playing stuff with imperfections (either in their execution or in the sound quality)...

Edited 1 hour ago by tinyd

[chriswareham]

1 hour ago, TimR said:

If a mistake doesn't detract from the final article then you're not going to rerecord it. Back in the day you'd have to spend hours physically cutting and splicing tape, it was easier to recored the whole piece again. Then with ADAT you could find bits and punch in.

 

On Joy Division's track Isolation, there was a bit at the end Martin Hannett the producer wasn't happy with. He kept on trimming the tape, until at some point they were in danger of having to rerecord the whole song. The solution was to add a weird feedbacking echo effect to cover up the truncated ending.

 

1 hour ago, TimR said:

Miming is not a problem if it's Top of the Pops. The technology and time constraints meant rotating and sound checking 10 bands for a 30 minute program wasn't practical and the idea was to showcase a single, not the band. Many singles would never have been reproduced live.

 

There was nothing in the rules for appearing on ToTP that said you couldn't play live, and some bands insisted on doing so. New Order and New Model Army spring to mind. The former did a pretty rough version of Blue Monday, and the next week it dropped down the charts. The latter were wearing T-shirts with the words "Only Stupid B*stards Use Heroin" on them, only to be told it was unacceptable. Their solution was some strategic gaffer tape over the offending words, but the tape fell off during their performance and they were banned from ever appearing on the show again.