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my band recorded a live demo set in the studio last Saturday.
almost all tracks were a one take recording with just a couple of overdubs due to lead guitar errors.
please have a listen & add your comments below
all comments are appreciated,but please remember it is a totally live recording.
cheers.
https://soundcloud.com/artisan1967/sets/jack-sabbath

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[quote name='artisan' timestamp='1494004576' post='3292588']...
please have a listen & add your comments below...
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Quite a lot to listen to, there; I'll admit to not having played 'em all, all of the way through. Excellent playing, very tight for a 'live', one-take effort (I assume that you were all playing together, not recording individually..?). As such, a fine demo of what the band may deliver on stage. Not entirely convinced by the quality of the vocals. He gets away with much, but pitch is an issue a bit too often. It's overcome with sincerity, but it doesn't always work.
The mix is fair enough for a one-shot demo; the 'real' BS tracks probably had far more post-production, to bring out individual elements of each song. As it is, your demo has a 'sameness' throughout. That could be considered a Good Thing, though.
What's with the compression, though..? Right up to the limit for most tracks. Dynamic suffers as a result (for me...), and the ear is quickly tired by such incessant intensity. I'm aware that it's part of the genre, but still...
Altogether a very presentable demo, for which you may (all...) be rightly proud. It stands up quite well to comparison with the originals, in the circumstances. Well done, y'all.

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[quote name='SH73' timestamp='1494005443' post='3292597']
I like it and like the singer's voice but his voice is out of tune.
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Yep, this. Other than that, great!

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Thanks guys.
He admits he's not a great singer but he's a great bloke & makes up for it with his stage presence.

We were all in the room together,no separate vocal booth or anything like that.
I'm very pleased with it,I'll admit I wasn't aware of the compression,it sounds good to my old lugs
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[quote name='SH73' timestamp='1494005443' post='3292597']
I like it and like the singer's voice but his voice is out of tune.
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+1. I can't help wondering if there is a reason for this in the manner it was recorded as he is consistently out.
If that is an accurate representation of how it sounded at the time, then you need a different singer. Or should I say, someone who can sing. In tune.
Musically it sounded a treat. I concur with Dad's comment about the compression, but that could easily be forgiven if the vocal was on point.
Fantastic effort all round, but the vocal let's it down IMHO.

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[quote name='artisan' timestamp='1494007698' post='3292615']
He admits he's not a great singer but he's a great bloke & makes up for it with his stage presence.
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That's absolutely fine if you have no aspirations to go down the full on tribute route with festivals and the like, but if you do, you need the whole package up front.

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Had to listen to War Pigs as its in our set too. Cracking song and fun to play. Also see you do Crazy Train too, which is also in our set!

The music is well tight for a live take. The 2 songs seems a bit fast though but work. The singers voice is unusual and there is something about him which i like but also something i don't. I would have to see you live and what his stage presence is. If he can be a real front man he should be ok. I will have to listen to the rest another time but what you have done is great.

Shameless plug for our Soundcloud tracks which feature live gig recordings or War Pigs & Crazy Train. I used a cheap Line 6 BackTrack so the quality isn't great.
https://soundcloud.com/carl-mepsted

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If he is to continue as singer, it may require different songs, if it's out of his range he will struggle and choke.
Otherwise, good work

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I'm really not convinced about the stage presence trumping vocal ability argument.

For comparative purposes of vocals only, listen to this. It makes a world of difference.

http://youtu.be/QafRmZBnwrI

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Vocals sound painfully out of tune to me, which is a shame as the rest of it is really well played.

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Thanks everyone for your comments in do appreciate it.
Personally I don't mind his vocals,OK he's very shakey on crazy train but I can live with the rest of it.
He's a good friend & totally bonkers,we all have such a laugh,it's just a bit of fun for us.
As for the video above,while that singer is assuredly a better vocalist I personally don't like his voice.

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No he doesn't but maybe he should,I'll mention it
He did say he was struggling to hear himself over us noisy gits,he didn't wear headphones either.

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[quote name='artisan' timestamp='1494100430' post='3293323']
No he doesn't but maybe he should,I'll mention it
He did say he was struggling to hear himself over us noisy gits,he didn't wear headphones either.
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You never know, it could help. It could be that he's just struggling to pitch himself.

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[quote name='hiram.k.hackenbacker' timestamp='1494100973' post='3293330']


You never know, it could help. It could be that he's just struggling to pitch himself.
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You're probably right there,I'll price some up for him.
Cheers

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[quote name='artisan' timestamp='1494007698' post='3292615']
Thanks guys.
He admits he's not a great singer but he's a great bloke & makes up for it with his stage presence.
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lot's of great blokes who can't sing have ruined bands filled with great players.

A bad singer = a bad band.

good blokes don't cut it. ditch him or forever be playing crappy dive bars for tips.

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[quote name='bazztard' timestamp='1494128154' post='3293453']


lot's of great blokes who can't sing have ruined bands filled with great players.

A bad singer = a bad band.

good blokes don't cut it. ditch him or forever be playing crappy dive bars for tips.
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That's all very well, but you just don't do that to good friends, which is how the OP has described him.

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[quote name='hiram.k.hackenbacker' timestamp='1494144454' post='3293529']


That's all very well, but you just don't do that to good friends, which is how the OP has described him.
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+ 1000000
Thank you
There's no way I would loose a friend over a band,we'll just have to try to tune him up a bit.

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Put the band in a pub full of Sabbath fans after a few beers and it'll pass ok.
Not the best singer but once there's a crowd and an atmosphere it might work pretty well especially if the singer has some stage presence.
Lets be honest Ozzy was never the best singer either and he freely admits that in his book.
What he did have to cover it on many occasions was stage presence and outrageous acts of stupidity but that's showmanship.

If he's a good mate and you are all enjoying it and audiences are there to see you then all well and good.

The IEM thing might just be all that's needed. Its amazing how difficult it is to sing in tune when you can't actually hear yourself. Some pros can get away with it no probs others cant.

Good luck and hope it works out well for you guys.

Dave

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The singer has the Ozzy like tone, and is a great fit in that respect, but the pitching is a bit painful at times (quite a lot of the time actually).
I don't know if singing lessons can correct poor pitch, but certainly worth a try. Or it could be that he just can't hear himself.

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Surely if the singer is off pitch in a Sabbath / Ozzy tribute band then he is just being authentic??

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