leftyhook Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 (edited) This is bass, not as we know it. But you have to admire the execution, melody and non-mainstream techniques used. beautiful. oh and there's a description of gear used in the vid. [media]http://youtu.be/aY4Ra2KOyas[/media] Edited February 4, 2012 by leftyhook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichF Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 inasmuch as guys try to push the boundaries, this is the guy who amazes me most. I dont claim he's the best cause it's not clear best at what, but he is someone I can listen to, enjoy, admire, be amazed by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ern500evo Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I remember the first time i ever saw this i was completely blown away. I can normally take or leave unaccompanied solo pieces to be honest but this just draws me in, it's mesmerising. Even if it's not your cup of tea you have to admire him, he's a genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I love this guy's playing, his whole approach to the instrument. 'The Enormous Room' is my favourite solo bass piece, quite beautiful and mesmerising. Still, i'm sure somebody will be along in a minute to tell us it's w***ery, grooveless, not 'real' bass, etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johngh Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 It's an incredible piece of music, one of my favorites. I never tire of listening to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanovw Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I have never seen this before. Awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiatcoupe432 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 if anyone interested there is a bass clinic with manring in may which im going ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 [quote name='Rich' timestamp='1328344401' post='1525689'] i'm sure somebody will be along in a minute to tell us it's w***ery, grooveless, not 'real' bass, etc etc. [/quote] Won't be me. Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Not my type of bass playing at all but I can happily sit and listen (watch) this and admire his dedication, style and feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 It's a beautiful piece of music,but IMO, it's as much a product of the tuning possibilities of his Zon Hyperbass as it is of his playing skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliverBlackman Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1328442388' post='1526874'] It's a beautiful piece of music,but IMO, it's as much a product of the tuning possibilities of his Zon Hyperbass as it is of his playing skills. [/quote] 4 detuning pegs do not compare to the years of practice he must have put in! awesome player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftyhook Posted February 5, 2012 Author Share Posted February 5, 2012 [quote name='warwickhunt' timestamp='1328441693' post='1526857'] Not my type of bass playing at all but I can happily sit and listen (watch) this and admire his dedication, style and feel. [/quote] fair comment. I can see why some people get annoyed listening to 'over-slapping', though the technique has to be commended for the rhythm more. I have no intentions in trying to play in Manring's style any more than I want to slap beyond what I feel is enough for [i]me[/i]. But this is indeed, an intoxicating piece of music performed by a virtuoso of a quite unique style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 [quote name='blackmn90' timestamp='1328442634' post='1526881'] 4 detuning pegs do not compare to the years of practice he must have put in! awesome player [/quote] Don't forget the bridge (re)tuner too! As soon as you can quickly and accurately retune all your strings on the fly it opens up a lot more musical possibilities as anyone who has spent time composing with open drone strings and harmonics will know. OTOH if you've seen the other video of this where he takes as long to set up the bass to play in tune in all the different tuning combinations as it does to actually play the piece you may wonder if it's really worthwhile... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Rich Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1328443890' post='1526917'] Don't forget the bridge (re)tuner too! As soon as you can quickly and accurately retune all your strings on the fly it opens up a lot more musical possibilities as anyone who has spent time composing with open drone strings and harmonics will know. OTOH if you've seen the other video of this where he takes as long to set up the bass to play in tune in all the different tuning combinations as it does to actually play the piece you may wonder if it's really worthwhile... [/quote] 7 minutes of tuning up, although there are some amusing comments especially at about 4 minutes: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWPHrRwQqVE&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWPHrRwQqVE&feature=related[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichF Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1328443890' post='1526917']OTOH if you've seen the other video of this where he takes as long to set up the bass to play in tune in all the different tuning combinations as it does to actually play the piece you may wonder if it's really worthwhile... [/quote] i dont really wonder at all. it is worth it. I appreciate microwave cooking as much as anyone, but also I like slow cook stuff that requires patience and preparation. Takes all sorts. (didn't think you were slagging it off, BTW so I am not having a go, just registering that 7 mins tuning for this aint such a big deal) Edited February 5, 2012 by RichF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I wonder if people who've only heard the piece on the album Thonk think it's anything more than a really good tune? Or if anyone has tried to play the piece on a standard fretless bass? It puts me in mind of the story about Adrian Belew trying (and succeeding) to recreate Robert Fripp's solos from Heroes when the pieces in question had been assembled by Eno from multiple takes and had never originally been played as a continuous piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris2112 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Michael used to be the bassist from the Windham Hill label back in the 80's and has a massive list of sessions to his name. It's a shame we don't hear more of his traditional bass playing, as he is superb player. However, I really like his solo stuff too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichF Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1328448161' post='1527043'] I wonder if people who've only heard the piece on the album Thonk think it's anything more than a really good tune? Or if anyone has tried to play the piece on a standard fretless bass? It puts me in mind of the story about Adrian Belew trying (and succeeding) to recreate Robert Fripp's solos from Heroes when the pieces in question had been assembled by Eno from multiple takes and had never originally been played as a continuous piece. [/quote] interesting question. [url="http://youtu.be/aFvwc082V3M"]http://youtu.be/aFvwc082V3M[/url] This is a good effort but i think the hyperbass generates more certainly performance wise but also musically in terms of the musicality of the tuning shifts and the open strings etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I like a bit of Manring. Last time I said that, tBBC replied with "preferably shaved Philippino"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisthebass Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 It's a beautiful piece of music, and the thing that amazes me the most is how he manages to remember which note is which in all the different tunings (especially as it's an unlined board!) - I have enough trouble with standard tuning.... He's definitely stretched the boundaries of what is capable on the instrument that's for sure. Great player and I love the design of that bass - I bet it's lightweight compared to most basses (anyone on here got one?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I remember this being the first thing I heard by Michael: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eTBc7aWBGw&feature=player_embedded"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eTBc7aWBGw&feature=player_embedded[/url] What struck me first was the beauty of the tune, the technicality of what he was doing hit me after, but it is a stunning piece of music IMO. Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gust0o Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I thought it was great; but... ... but you wouldn't put it on the car stereo. ... but it's a little self indulgent. ... but no frigger will ever buy it. I spied an interview with James Patterson in Metro the other week. He doesn't call his books 'novels', he calls them 'entertainments' - and he notes the huge gulf between them and the real literary greats; but he also notes their indulgences and limited appeal, and perhaps that's what it takes to have that greatness and really push the boundaries of what you can achieve in your field of the arts. I think the comparison works here. He's pushing it; he's to be respected for it; but outside of this thread, of people who also play, he'll get no recognition for it. Which is alternately a shame and to be expected. Just my late night musings. I was certainly glad to have seen the clips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lettsguitars Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Who can argue with that? And what a beautiful looking fingerboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 It's beautiful. Reminds me of Michael Hedges with the Steinberger transtrem. Very few people can pull off sh*t like this. There is a line. Over it and you can move people. Under it and you will a laughing stock for people who can tell the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ojplaysbass Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 i had the good fortune of seeing him play the enormous room at a clinic about a year ago - i didn't know too much about him before then but i sure do now lol it was seriously mind blowing seeing this guy play - he's truly mastered the instrument. another thing that struck me was his lengthy and thorough warm up routine (which is about the only thing of his that i've managed to successfully emulate) honestly though - this guy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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