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Ah, the joys of having too many toys and not enough brainpower (I am a fully signed up member of that club) The one that gets me is the East P retro. Makes some lovely, lovely sounds but there is a lot of wizardry to fit into 2 stacked pots. I have to have the instructions handy if I haven't played around with the settings on that bass for a while.

hejirah by joni mitchell is as good as it gets ...jaco only played on four tracks but that's enough to seal the deal for me.

Unfortunately, my lasting experience of dealing with stuff going wrong wasn't as positive with my two cabs, a shame, as I've owned half a dozen in the past, but not likely again. Still, this is better, and I daresay this thread may also have assisted in the response.

They did! The earliest models, from 1978 until 1982, had REALLY big necks, both thick and wide. I've had two MC924L's from that period. They were great, but incredibly heavy and while I was comfortable with the big neck, I prefer a thinner and narrower neck these days. Which is why I've only got my 1983 model anymore: it's the later model with the bevelled edges, and PJ pickups in soapbar casings. Coincidence has it this is my year of birth, the serial number dates it to December 1983 which makes it only a month younger than me.

I think that's the main win from all this - that you've got them to sort your issue out and also finally make it clear for future purchasers. I like BF as well (I have a Super 12, Midget, Two10 and 2x One10s) but you're right - stuff goes wrong and it's all about how it's sorted out. My S12 had a buzz/rattle on one of the speakers, and the Two10 had a chrome corner missing - both issues were remedied with no fuss.

From John @Chienmortbb recent review of his system ( 2 x Wharfdale Typhon 8's) he invested in a second Citronic Casa 10 sub to achieve the performance he was seeking. Wishing to use just one sub, it seemed an idea to upgrade the speaker in a light , well made cab and panel amp. On my radar would be the next step up from the Citronic Casa 10 to a Alto TX12S to match the Alto TS408s. But would I achieve similar performce from a £100 speaker upgrade? That was the basis of seeking John and Phil's opinions.

GMT as noted above

So, three months later, did this work for you?

Intrigued! But what does it look like??

I was thinking in the way that every TV or computer monitor now comes with mounting points for a VESA adaptor as standard, all desktop high tech music devices should have similar points to allow the attachment of a standard microphone or cymbal stand adaptor. I've got around the flimsy cable and connector problem by fitting all our high-tech devices permanently in a rack case with a removable top and then using XLR and PowerCon connectors to join them to the outside world. It has the added advantage that our computerised backing playback can be set up and wired into the PA in couple of minutes. Most of the other bands we share the stage with who have similar based systems are still looking for suitable tables at the venue to put all their gear on and the right cables in their bag of leads. The disadvantage is that the rack case at least doubles the weight and size of the devices.

But Shirley that defeats the object of buying a cheap sub?

@Happy Jack Great show.

I've used ACS Custom moulded plugs for so long that I've ended up with a couple of pairs of moulds that are surplus to requirement, one pair not even having filters any more. Stumbled across a Basschat post from a few years ago (which I now can't find again to link to) where someone in this situation had bought some cheap earbuds and glued them into ACS moulds. So I thought "what the heck" and bought pair of £20 buds from Amazon plus some special silicon-friendly glue. @Silvia Bluejay and I then spent a happy half-hour gluing our fingers together, and left the resulting Blue Peter mess to cure overnight. Tried them at rehearsal (on keys) last night and - knock me down with a feather - it worked.

Question to @Phil Starr and @Chienmortbb. Would you advocate replacing the speaker in the Citronic sub with something of a higher quality and greater excursion capabilities -Xmax? Maybe Faital Pro, Celestion or B&C ?

Yeah, I feel they aren't quite there for live stuff yet, they clearly now have an eye on the guitar/bass market but more from a home studio perspective. I think a few tweaks like the things you mention could really help, mounting points is a good call - surely wouldn't add much cost but these things rarely have them. The KAOSS pad having RCA I/O isn't ideal, having stuff like XLR would be great but you usually need to go pretty high-end guitar/bass multi fx to have it included and unfortunately even quite expensive multi-fx specifically designed for live guitar/bass often have those external PSUs and weak cables, you need to go quite high-end before getting the more professional sturdy stuff so I guess the cost/size and multi-region thing is a bit prohibitive. I'd like to see them really think through how someone would use these things live for guitar/bass perhaps with then mounted on a stand and using a a midi footswitch pedal to change presets and turn effects on/off etc, they all have midi in/out and USB interfaces so I assume it is technically possible but would probably be a world of tech faff.