lemmywinks Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) A while ago i sold a bass to a forum member called jamiejames. The bank transfer was agreed and i arranged for the bass to be shipped on the same day, bass was collected but no money turned up To cut a long story short, the guy has basically turned his phone off and is refusing to pay for it. I have a ton of information on him with pictures linking him to this site and the band he plays with, including all his messages and the feedback he left me. I have an address, phone number, facebook, band site, youtube page, details of band members with available phone numbers. Also i have details of other projects he has been involved with such as films and agencies, all of which will have contact details I rang the police today, they are round the corner from his address yet i was told it is not a police matter. Despite having written confirmation of the sale and the fact he has received the bass, it is not a theft as foolishly i sent the bass without reveiveng payment first. NOT A THEFT! My only option is to pursue private legal action (over a £173 loss) or make a trip down to Glasgow. I suppose i am just gutted at the police being, yet again, totally useless when they are needed. The least i expected was for them to pay him a visit so he knows he is having his collar felt. I have done all the work for them and have loads of information on the guy, if i was in Glasgow i could easily track him down, let alone if i was a copper round the corner! Whaddyd reckon? PS no "should have known better" / "chalk it up as experience" replies please, i know this is partly down to my naiveity and don't need patronising. I'd like some constructive advice If anyone knows of his whereabouts, please get in touch via pm The guy is called Jamie (James Bryce i think) He lives/lived on Queens Drive, Glasgow He plays with the T Rex tribute band "Hot Love" around the Glasgow area Check out: [url="http://www.midge-hotlove.co.uk/id4.html"]http://www.midge-hotlove.co.uk/id4.html[/url] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQsmadOwBLM&layer_token=1359e00d0c51074e"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQsmadOwBLM...359e00d0c51074e[/url] He's the guy in the tartan pants He has been in a few small Scottish films such as "Dark Nature" He was setting up a bass shop in Glasgow called the Bass Space His facebook is also under jamiejames, his shop has a facebook site called bassspace EDIT for manners! Edited October 9, 2009 by wateroftyne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylon Pilson Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 [url="http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=site%3Abasschat.co.uk+intitle%3Aprofile+glasgow&btnG=Search&meta="]Send an envoy round[/url]. S.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRadford Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Well posting it here is start, there must be people who have/are gigging with them in the same area. I have posted a topic on a well known drum forum asking if anyone konws him, never know his drummer might even me a member there. I'd post this up on as many music related forums as I could so you have a good chance of finding someone who knows the band or him. It could just be a big misunderstanding, and needs someone to point out to him the mistake,but seems pretty unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 I've already been in touch with his guitarist who promised to "pass on the message". I don't think i'll be hearing from him again and he hasn't replied to any emails since Also i couldn't find any Glasgow music forums. Anyone know of any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatback Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I think I remember that taking a small claims action in Scotland is pretty cheap, and costs can be added to what the loser will pay. Sounds like you have good evidence. [url="http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/scotland/your_rights/legal_system_scotland/small_claims_in_the_sheriff_court_scotland.htm"]http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/scotland/you...rt_scotland.htm[/url] fatback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Luc Pickguard Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 What a t0553r good luck getting your money - I'm sure you realise you should have ensured that payment had cleared before sending, but I its easy to imagine that all basschatters are decent honest people as all the ones I've had dealings with have proved to be. Hopefully there'll be someone (or maybe a posse) in Glasgow that'll be happy to pay him a visit. With or without baseball bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 [quote name='fatback' post='619553' date='Oct 7 2009, 01:33 PM']I think I remember that taking a small claims action in Scotland is pretty cheap, and costs can be added to what the loser will pay. Sounds like you have good evidence. [url="http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/scotland/your_rights/legal_system_scotland/small_claims_in_the_sheriff_court_scotland.htm"]http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/scotland/you...rt_scotland.htm[/url] fatback[/quote] Cheers dude. I'll give that some thought when i'm home from work. It's not that i need the money, i just hate it when theiving scum get away with things and the authorities shrug their shoulders. I remember when the whole Warwick Vampyre saga went to the police they actually paid the guy a visit and let him know it had got serious. Glasgow police just aren't interested! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peted Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Get legal advice. The police won't treat this as theft because you had an agreement of sale and therefore won't get involved. First port of call will probably having a quick work with the Citizens Advice Bureau [url="http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/"]http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purpleblob Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 [quote name='lemmywinks' post='619518' date='Oct 7 2009, 01:03 PM']My only option is to pursue private legal action (over a £173 loss) or make a trip down to Glasgow.[/quote] Sorry to hear about this. It's disappointing when the police can't even just have a quick word with him which might get thing sorted quickly, but don't get me started on that ... You basically got the answer(s) to what you need to do I'm afraid, the first thing is contact him by whatever means you can (which you've done). Give him the oppurtunity and time to pay (which it sounds like you've done). Now you have a choice, 1) tell him you're going to take legal action against him or 2) Just start the small claims action against him. Obviously the threat might have the desired affect but then again sometimes it's better to simply show them you mean business and get a small claims action started (in England this can be done easily via the web, not sure whether there's an alternative method for Scotland). Remember if you start the legal process then ensure you inform him he's liable for [b]all[/b] legal costs. The alternative is a visit. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 Yeah i think CAB would be a good idea, cheers bud It was a Cort Curbow 5 string, this one: [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=56487&hl=cort"]http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=56487&hl=cort[/url] It's pretty distinctive but i think he'll have sold it by now. He mentioned in a thread that he was buying second hand stock from the forum to sell when his imaginery bass shop got off the ground. As he had no money (he was relying on the public coffers from a regeneration cheque) to buy the required amounts of new stock this was his idea The strange thing is that i was in contact with him for a while, he answered his phone and chatted about gigs and stuff. He was just like the typical forumite and never seemed likely to do a runner. That's what put me at ease about it, i still never believed he intended to not pay, i think he found himself in a position where he couldn't afford to pay his debts so chose to run away rather than face his problems W@nker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 [quote name='lemmywinks' post='619561' date='Oct 7 2009, 01:43 PM']I remember when the whole Warwick Vampyre saga went to the police they actually paid the guy a visit and let him know it had got serious. Glasgow police just aren't interested![/quote] The police never visited Jake. Sorry for your loss on this. You may want to contact the people we mentioned in our PM to you who could help you out. Otherwise you can start putting pressure on the guy by contacting EVERYONE in his social profile friends sections. Bands, band members, Ex band members, Family, freinds, what have you. Otherwise a Glasgow BC unruly mob will be in order. If the police dont want to get involved. Get a couple of bcers together, pay the guy a visit. Ask him nicely but in no uncertain terms to give the bass back or money. Dont get physical, If the guy does not cough up then start small claims proceedings. And start up threads on every musician related forum in the UK calling the guy out. Again, dont get physical, dont hand out sensitive information like his address and telephone number. Just be completely honest in what the guy has done to you. Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM10 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Do you think the positive feedback he left you was a smokescreen as otherwise I can't understand why he would leave such positive comments if he's just a common tea leaf. I personally would leave out any derogatory comments on forums etc as it will make matters worse. My thoughts are this will sort itself out as they have done before with the help of this forum. Peer pressure seems to be more effective than the old bill these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepurpleblob Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I'm in Glasgow and - short of getting my head kicked in - if there's something useful I can do I'd be glad to help. Before you ask - I don't know the guy or his band. Queens Park is quite a posh area (mostly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRadford Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I have put the word around the drumf forum. Closest I have got is someone did some drumming for another t Rex tribute band that used to play with this lot, but he also got screwed over, so is no longer in contact. Seems to be something about Marc Bolan tribute acts ripping people off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Don't know why anyone would expect the Police to be interested, or even able to do anything if they were. Despite the negativity above, they've got better things to do and, anyway, can only act when a law's been broken, which - technically - it hasn't. When the Glaswegian twat of a foumite who ripped me of did so I had a lot of guys offer to go and have a word, which although reassuring, probably only makes things worse if it actually happens. I chalked that one up to experience (similar level of loss to yours all in) and my advice is to do the same, unless that is there's a relatively easy solution. At the very least, give yourself a defined time frame in which to resolve it (e.g., 10 days), and if that doesn't happen, let it go. Sh*t happens, but sometimes the stress/anger or the amount of work required simply adds up to more sh*t. Sorry to hear about it and let's hope there is an easy explanation/solution Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepurpleblob Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 The court fees in the Sheriff Court for claims under £200 is fifteen quid. It's got to be worth a punt. The summons might do the trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassbloke Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I'd go straight for the County Court option. A CCJ against him is a right hassle - it'll scupper any chances of him starting his own business without a major arse ache. You need to send a letter first to prove to the court that you've tried avenues to resolve the situation amicably. So, rattle him off a letter giving him 2 weeks to return the bass or cough up, then file the papers. What you need to be clear about is if it does go to a hearing, where it will be held. Last thing you want is to be faced with the prospect of having to trek to Sctland over a £150 bass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassbloke Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 [quote name='bassbloke' post='619606' date='Oct 7 2009, 02:38 PM']I'd go straight for the County Court option. A CCJ against him is a right hassle - it'll scupper any chances of him starting his own business without a major arse ache. You need to send a letter first to prove to the court that you've tried avenues to resolve the situation amicably. So, rattle him off a letter giving him 2 weeks to return the bass or cough up, then file the papers. What you need to be clear about is if it does go to a hearing, where it will be held. Last thing you want is to be faced with the prospect of having to trek to Sctland over a £150 bass.[/quote] I'd also suggest checking their gig listings and contacting the owner/promoter at every single venue and advise them to padlock every piece of valuable equipment. It might not get your bass back, but you may as well do everything possible to make life difficult for his band, err I mean, warn other people of the possible risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) The idea of a hammer-wielding posse is intuitively pleasing, but could lead to an outcome more serious than losing £173. Shaming's about as far as you can safely go, I reckon. But beware of defamation that can't be supported by documented facts... Looking at his posts, he claims to be unemployed and skint yet about to 'start a shop'. Sounds (and looks) like a sad, delusional, desperate sp*nker wearing strides inappropriate for a man of his vintage. ...if anyone sees him around, give him the ol' stink-eye. Edited October 7, 2009 by skankdelvar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepurpleblob Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 [quote name='bassbloke' post='619606' date='Oct 7 2009, 02:38 PM']I'd go straight for the County Court option. A CCJ against him is a right hassle - it'll scupper any chances of him starting his own business without a major arse ache. You need to send a letter first to prove to the court that you've tried avenues to resolve the situation amicably. So, rattle him off a letter giving him 2 weeks to return the bass or cough up, then file the papers. What you need to be clear about is if it does go to a hearing, where it will be held. Last thing you want is to be faced with the prospect of having to trek to Sctland over a £150 bass.[/quote] You will.... but someone can represent you. Ask me nicely :-D I'd hate this sh*t to happen to me!! (Sheriff Court not County Court - bloody English..... I'm from Hull originally BTW. Ha ha) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjohns Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) Looks like he is already trying to pass this off or someone has bought it off him already OR same bass different person! [url="http://glasgow.gumtree.com/glasgow/32/45029932.html"]http://glasgow.gumtree.com/glasgow/32/45029932.html[/url] Sorry to hear about it mate, hope u can sort it!!! Edited October 7, 2009 by sjohns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Oh dear. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I remember his threads and he seemed ok. He was quite forthcoming and open about himself. I have a feeling something weird happened and he's embarrassed or too worried to contact you until he has a resolution, OR, he's a complete arse who's thinking there is little you can do to get your bass back or the money he owes you. If that's the case and he still wants to open a shop, he's in need of sectioning. I'm with GM10, I would leave out the derogatory comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 [quote name='sjohns' post='619612' date='Oct 7 2009, 02:43 PM']Looks like he is already trying to pass this off or someone has bought it off him already OR same bass different person! [url="http://glasgow.gumtree.com/glasgow/32/45029932.html"]http://glasgow.gumtree.com/glasgow/32/45029932.html[/url] Sorry to hear about it mate, hope u can sort it!!![/quote] That is indeed the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombywoof Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 If you have an idea of where he lives, I'm up for accompanying you to 'pay him a visit'. I'm sure we could get crew together and march him down to the cashpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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