Glastonbury 25

[Supernaut]

18 hours ago, SteveXFR said:

Someone advised me to watch the turnstile set. Future of metal apparently. All excited I put it on expecting some aggressive guitars, heavy drumming and angry vocals. What I heard is what I would imagine the elevator music at the Kerrang offices sounds like.

 

9 hours ago, Cosmo Valdemar said:

I've never heard of Turnstile but, considering the last two "future of metal" bands I was told about were Linkin Park and Sleep Token, I reckon I'll give them a miss 😆

Turnstile are not metal. They have always been a hardcore band. They have only gone up the food chain recently due to branching out their sound. Glow On is a fantastic album. 

[SumOne]

The Prodigy have always been one of my favourite bands, their set still looked like the most energy of the festival.

[Stub Mandrel]

3 hours ago, tegs07 said:

The poster suggests that like the early days of Glastonbury it was a more organic, less commercial, community driven festival. Different times with less of the pressures of budget, health and safety, policing, community relations and all the non musical aspects that dominate music festivals now. I would think more exciting times when there wasn’t a massive industry looking to profit from the consumption of music and youth culture, just people who wanted to get a scene together and have a good time. To a large extent it was started by the hippies, revived by the punks and had its last hurrah in the early days of hip hop. 

 

For now it is the domain of big business. Safer, bigger, more polished and professional. But very different.

 

When I went it was more like a huge, surreal mediaeval fair. Due to over-indulgence I can't remember much else beyond the Mutoid Waste Company, Hank Wangford and Richard Thompson. 

[Frank Blank]

3 minutes ago, Stub Mandrel said:

Hank Wangford

 

 *titter*

[Buzzy]

My fave Glasto moment, old friends reunited

[gjones]

It doesn't help that the sound, from the BBC, always sounds weak. I assume it's because they're just taking the live feed from the desk. I have noticed that the sound of many of the videos does get 'tweaked' and remixed at a later date. Which can restore stuff, like the missing bass and bring down the ridiculously prominent bass drum.

 

Interesting discussion on reddit about the subject 

 

Edited July 1 by gjones

[tegs07]

12 minutes ago, gjones said:

It doesn't help that the sound, from the BBC, always sounds weak. I assume it's because they're just taking the live feed from the desk. I have noticed that the sound of many of the videos does get 'tweaked' and remixed at a later date. Which can restore stuff, like the missing bass and bring down the ridiculously prominent bass drum.

 

Interesting discussion on reddit about the subject 

 

Never sounds too bad for me. I just put the AV receiver into pure audio mode and turn the volume up.

[gjones]

5 minutes ago, tegs07 said:

Never sounds too bad for me. I just put the AV receiver into pure audio mode and turn the volume up.

 

I only listened to a couple of bands and the bass wasn't there. The band I watched first was Chic and I couldn't hear any bass whatsoever. 

 

I mean a sound engineer that mixes Chic with no bass, should hang their head in shame.

 

And I was playing it through hi fi speakers.

Edited July 1 by gjones

[MichaelDean]

3 minutes ago, gjones said:

 

I only listened to a couple of bands and the bass wasn't there. The band I watched first was Chic and I couldn't hear any bass whatsoever. 

 

I mean a sound engineer that mixes Chic with no bass, should hang their head in shame.

 

And I was playing it through hi fi speakers.

They're trying to mix it onsite where they've got enormous PA systems interfering. Even with a closed back headphone mix I can see why they might mix the bass too low.

[SteveXFR]

The only one I watched which didn't sound good was Nova Twins. No bass at all 

[Clint]

3 hours ago, vbance said:

Clint....that's the sort of information I need to hunt one down....my misses won't thank you, but I do.

No worries. They pop up now and again although seems to be more sought after now. The best finishes are honey burst (what I have) and tobacco burst I think. They only came in 4 colours for that model (LPB3). The cherry burst doesn't don't for me. 

[HeadlessBassist]

I've had a look through some of the iPlayer videos and I'm definitely feeling my 55 years. Very few bands/acts I've ever heard of and lasted a max of five minutes with any of the videos. I am officially old. 

 

Did notice that the bass player in Wet Leg was using a JMJ Mustang 😎, sadly with a pick and a terrible sound though. 😢

 

Feel free to lambast me for being old, gittish and utterly out of touch, LOL!

[SteveXFR]

Their bass sounded pretty decent to me.

[NancyJohnson]

Oooh, 19 pages in.

 

I watched for about 15 minutes on the BBC, and that was it.  Alanis Morissette.  Honestly, I can't stand her.  Never could.  A voice like nails on a blackboard.  There are phrasing and inflections in her voice that just make me want to listen even less.  Next day I just read comment after comment about how wonderful her performance was and I'm thinking are these people insane?  Is there something wrong with their hearing?  Do they not actually like music?

 

Thank you and goodnight.

 

[Woodinblack]

20 minutes ago, NancyJohnson said:

Next day I just read comment after comment about how wonderful her performance was and I'm thinking are these people insane?  Is there something wrong with their hearing?  Do they not actually like music?

 

I do like some of her stuff, but I thought her glastonbury performance of "you ought to know" was weak, the rest was sort of ok. Wait until you hear rod

 

[Leonard Smalls]

3 hours ago, Supernaut said:

Turnstile are not metal. They have always been a hardcore band.

Hardcore pop-punk! They're by no means hardcore, apart from for folks who don't like or know what hardcore is!  https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002fb7q/glastonbury-turnstile-never-enough  - this is softer than Green Day!

See Exploited, GBH, Black Flag, Minor Threat, Rancid, Bad Religion, Bad Brains, Sick of It All... Or:

 

 

[Doctor J]

Turnstile are about as hardcore as jam spread on soft, white bread with the crust cut off.

 

They don't appear to have anyting to say, either, unlike the bands Leonard just listed. Lazy journalism mixed with a sad need for categorisation. 

[Supernaut]

28 minutes ago, Leonard Smalls said:

Hardcore pop-punk! They're by no means hardcore, apart from for folks who don't like or know what hardcore is!  https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002fb7q/glastonbury-turnstile-never-enough  - this is softer than Green Day!

See Exploited, GBH, Black Flag, Minor Threat, Rancid, Bad Religion, Bad Brains, Sick of It All... Or:

 

 

...and you have given a link to their new material which has helped break them to a wider audience hence my comment about "branching out their sound". 
 

This is their older material: 

 

https://music.apple.com/gb/album/nonstop-feeling/1094497174

 

Suicial Tendencies, IMO, is metal. 

[Ramirez]

2 hours ago, gjones said:

It doesn't help that the sound, from the BBC, always sounds weak. I assume it's because they're just taking the live feed from the desk. I have noticed that the sound of many of the videos does get 'tweaked' and remixed at a later date. Which can restore stuff, like the missing bass and bring down the ridiculously prominent bass drum.

 

Interesting discussion on reddit about the subject 

 

 

 

I thought the TV sound overall this year was phenomenal. Yes, Chic's bass could have been a tad louder, but it was definitely there and close enough. I'd say it was at a level where you'd get a studio mix back and feel the bass should slightly stronger - ie. quite remarkable for an real time live broadcast!

 

In previous years it has been poor at times, but I thought there was a massive step up this year. It's a remarkably difficult job mixing live music for broadcast in a truck if you're close to the stage - I've done it myself, and the sheer amount of bass that comes from the stage can make proper bass judgement almost impossible. They've found a way this year it seems, and the results, to my ears, consistently ranged from good to superb.

 

Of course, the problems are often compounded by people listening on TV/multimedia systems that are simply not set up properly. Many TVs come with a myriad of sound 'enhancements' turned on by default that can absolutely butcher a good mix, and the same goes for receivers/soundbars etc. A hi-fi might sound fine for music playback, but if the signal being fed to it has already been messed with by the TV then all bets are off! 

 

It's certainly not a live feed from the desk - it's all AoIP (Dante etc) nowadays, which makes it much easier to arrange multiple full channel splits to multiple destinations. There was a thread on a Facebook group by one of the broadcast engineers involved with Glastonbury, and he said there was much better collaboration between all concerned this year, as well as a good few technological advancements being trialled. To my ears, it all made a massive and worthwhile difference.

[gjones]

3 minutes ago, Ramirez said:

 

 

I thought the TV sound overall this year was phenomenal. Yes, Chic's bass could have been a tad louder, but it was definitely there and close enough. I'd say it was at a level where you'd get a studio mix back and feel the bass should slightly stronger - ie. quite remarkable for an real time live broadcast!

 

In previous years it has been poor at times, but I thought there was a massive step up this year. It's a remarkably difficult job mixing live music for broadcast in a truck if you're close to the stage - I've done it myself, and the sheer amount of bass that comes from the stage can make proper bass judgement almost impossible. They've found a way this year it seems, and the results, to my ears, consistently ranged from good to superb.

 

Of course, the problems are often compounded by people listening on TV/multimedia systems that are simply not set up properly. Many TVs come with a myriad of sound 'enhancements' turned on by default that can absolutely butcher a good mix, and the same goes for receivers/soundbars etc. A hi-fi might sound fine for music playback, but if the signal being fed to it has already been messed with by the TV then all bets are off! 

 

It's certainly not a live feed from the desk - it's all AoIP (Dante etc) nowadays, which makes it much easier to arrange multiple full channel splits to multiple destinations. There was a thread on a Facebook group by one of the broadcast engineers involved with Glastonbury, and he said there was much better collaboration between all concerned this year, as well as a good few technological advancements being trialled. To my ears, it all made a massive and worthwhile difference.

 

I imagine it must be difficult to judge what is coming from your headphones and what is coming from the stage. I also assume that it's difficult for the BBC to get the numbers of experienced engineers required to deal with so many live acts. I would guess they're mostly contractors, as this is not something the BBC does very often and I doubt there are many BBC employees who are used to engineering live music.

 

When I listen to Chic in a few weeks I'm hoping the sound will have been remixed and the bass will magically appear.

[SteveXFR]

20 minutes ago, Supernaut said:

...and you have given a link to their new material which has helped break them to a wider audience hence my comment about "branching out their sound". 
 

This is their older material: 

 

https://music.apple.com/gb/album/nonstop-feeling/1094497174

 

Suicial Tendencies, IMO, is metal. 

 

Suicidal were thrash / hardcore crossover so a bit of both.

[Leonard Smalls]

57 minutes ago, SteveXFR said:

Suicidal were thrash / hardcore crossover so a bit of both

Or originally and arguably, skatepunk 😁 Then BobbyT got really good and they became a bit more funkpunk!

And Turnstile appear to have been a lot harder in the past - shame they've gone all wuss now!

This is the last "hardcore" band we played with, though in the daft world of extreme categorisation they're also street punk and thrash punk/metal - Potbelly

In 3 weeks we're playing with hardcore Brazilians Anti Virus, though they could be just punk...

And next week, we're playing with OG punks, the Samples. They're definitely not hardcore. Or Thrash. Or Metal.

 

[martthebass]

3 hours ago, HeadlessBassist said:

 

Did notice that the bass player in Wet Leg was using a JMJ Mustang 😎, sadly with a pick and a terrible sound though. 😢

Think he uses one of these on and off.  Yes, not a great sound.....bit of an accomplishment as it's hard to make one of these sound bad.

[Rich]

Can I just get in really early for Glasto 2027?

 

Ahem.

 

God, the lineup is crap. Why haven't they got all the bands that *I* like?

 

Thank you.

[Woodinblack]

11 minutes ago, Rich said:

God, the lineup is crap. Why haven't they got all the bands that *I* like?

 

But at least it was a good idea to have Olivia rodrego on the Legends slot

And wasn't Velvet Sundown set good?