Cliff Edge Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 According to Spotify Bronx drill, ambient lo-fi and gym phonk were the three biggest growing genres on Spotify in 2023. What the hell is phonk? Apparently there are over 6000 genre classifications on there. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67111517?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernaut Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Music evolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 The Inevitable Teaspoons are a cutlerycore band from Aberdeen, Scotland. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 What the phonk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) I once spent half an hour in the Rough Trade shop in Ladbroke Grove trying to work out which micro-genres the CDs I wanted to buy would be in. In the end it was quicker to hand the person behind the counter a list of what I was after and let them look. It turned out they only had one out of the 10 CDs I wanted to buy and it was categorised in such a way I don't think I would have found it on my own. I really don't care about genre. AFAIAC there is just music I like and music I don't like. In the shop it's much easier to find it everything is simply arranged alphabetically by artist. Edited November 29, 2023 by BigRedX 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SumOne Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) 'I just like good music' is all well and good, but there are over 100 million songs on Spotify alone (about 600 years of constant listening) and 60,000 songs added to it every day, so you need some way of focussing in on finding what you want to hear and genres/sub-genres are a reasonably simple way to do it. Even if we were limited to a few genres like folk, rock, pop, country, blues (it'd be a boring world if we were!), Country alone has been sub-catagorised into long list of sub-genres (at least according to Wikipidia). Alternative country Americana Cowpunk/Country-punk Gothic country Roots rock Australian country music Bush band Bakersfield sound Bluegrass Old-time bluegrass/Appalachian bluegrass Traditional bluegrass/Neo-Traditional bluegrass Progressive bluegrass/Nu-grass Bluegrass gospel Bro-country Canadian country music Christian country music Classic country Coastal Country Country and Irish Country blues Country en Español Country folk Country pop/Cosmopolitan country Country rap/Hick-hop Country EDM Country rock Cowboy pop Cowboy/Western music Dansband music Franco-country Gulf and western Hokum Honky tonk music Instrumental country Lubbock sound Nashville sound Countrypolitan Neotraditional country New country Old-time music Outlaw country Progressive country Rockabilly/Neo-Rockabilly Psychobilly/Punkabilly Gothabilly/Hellbilly Southern rock Southern soul Sertanejo music Talking blues Traditional Country music Truck-driving country Cowboy/Western music New Mexico music Red dirt Tex-Mex/Tejano Texas country Progressive country Western swing Phonk and Bronx Drill are just a sub-genres of Hip-Hop, partly characterised by location and sound/lyrical themes (Phonk uses choped beats, Drill tends to be dark with street/gang lyrics), the sub-catagories are probably quite uesful for people really into that music. Edited November 29, 2023 by SumOne 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorkie635 Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 17 minutes ago, SumOne said: 'I just like good music' is all well and good, but there are over 100 million songs on Spotify alone (about 600 years of constant listening) and 60,000 songs added to it every day, so you need some way of focussing in on finding what you want to hear and genres/sub-genres are a reasonably simple way to do it. Even if we were limited to a few genres like folk, rock, pop, country, blues (it'd be a boring world if we were!), Country alone has been sub-catagorised into long list of sub-genres (at least according to Wikipidia). Alternative country Americana Cowpunk/Country-punk Gothic country Roots rock Australian country music Bush band Bakersfield sound Bluegrass Old-time bluegrass/Appalachian bluegrass Traditional bluegrass/Neo-Traditional bluegrass Progressive bluegrass/Nu-grass Bluegrass gospel Bro-country Canadian country music Christian country music Classic country Coastal Country Country and Irish Country blues Country en Español Country folk Country pop/Cosmopolitan country Country rap/Hick-hop Country EDM Country rock Cowboy pop Cowboy/Western music Dansband music Franco-country Gulf and western Hokum Honky tonk music Instrumental country Lubbock sound Nashville sound Countrypolitan Neotraditional country New country Old-time music Outlaw country Progressive country Rockabilly/Neo-Rockabilly Psychobilly/Punkabilly Gothabilly/Hellbilly Southern rock Southern soul Sertanejo music Talking blues Traditional Country music Truck-driving country Cowboy/Western music New Mexico music Red dirt Tex-Mex/Tejano Texas country Progressive country Western swing Phonk and Bronx Drill are just a sub-genres of Hip-Hop, partly characterised by location and sound/lyrical themes (Phonk uses choped beats, Drill tends to be dark with street/gang lyrics), the sub-catagories are probably quite uesful for people really into that music. Well, that's my next rehearsal sorted. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 I tend to think of the seemingly infinite amount of modern subgenres as a a sort emperors new clothes/gatekeeper thing. There's a relatively tiny number of music fans having conversations and arguments amongst themselves about how exactly to label and file every music act on the planet. Meanwhile the rest of the world just listens to stuff they like. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No lust in Jazz Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 As a Spotify account holder I would like to add that Spotify and its algorithms aren't all that. I am sure that its genre invention machine will be wasted on me. Paraphrasing @BigRedX There's music that I like and music that I dislike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Edge Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share Posted November 29, 2023 1 hour ago, No lust in Jazz said: As a Spotify account holder I would like to add that Spotify and its algorithms aren't all that. I am sure that its genre invention machine will be wasted on me. Paraphrasing @BigRedX There's music that I like and music that I dislike This is exactly how I feel, I was simply amazed at the figures. And who is it that names these genres and sub genres and what criteria is used in the process? Or do they just contact the artist and ask what the hell they’re playing at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 There are so many genres out there that I’ve never heard of, someone sent me this once, you select a type and it normally gives you some samples, it’s almost endless https://everynoise.com/everynoise1d.cgi?root=russian reggae&scope=all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 I get the point of genres, they have done wonders for attracting listeners to my most recent bands, but the more "specific" they become the less useful they are, and a lot of the time the subdivisions are fairly subjective anyway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asingardenof Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Looking at your day list on Spotify (just search "daylist", it's great/weird) gives you an insight of the many, many sub-sub-genres there are out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Cliff Edge said: And who is it that names these genres and sub genres and what criteria is used in the process? Actually it's me. I work for Spotify under the moniker of Genre and Subgenre Nomenclature Officer. The criteria used are me chucking darts at dictionary pages. Smooth Wotocheshede Tech Slam is next in line for a nanosecond of fame, blink and you'll miss it. Edited November 29, 2023 by Frank Blank 1 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul S Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 53 minutes ago, Frank Blank said: Actually it's me. I work Spotify under the moniker of Genre and Subgenre Nomenclature Officer. The criteria used are me chucking darts at dictionary pages. Smooth Wotocheshede Tech Slam is next in line for it's nanosecond of fame, blink and you'll miss it. Actually, you really should. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Edge Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share Posted November 29, 2023 2 hours ago, BigRedX said: I get the point of genres, they have done wonders for attracting listeners to my most recent bands, but the more "specific" they become the less useful they are, and a lot of the time the subdivisions are fairly subjective anyway. So true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Paul S said: Actually, you really should. Actually I really do... ...wop de woodle wop, do wop, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul S Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 You've been recording your intestinal rumblings again, haven't you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 36 minutes ago, Paul S said: intestinal rumblings What music style would that subgenre be? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Having recently taken the decision to step down from 46 years of gigging, but looking for a bit of a hobby project to play with other musicians, I occasionally look at the JMB ads. Have to say I’m entirely bemused by most of the genres mentioned; shoegaze, post hardcore, alt country, sludge metal, etc. etc Whatever happened to mods and rockers? All this were fields when I were a lad, y’know......🤔 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Dare Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 10 hours ago, Supernaut said: Music evolves. It'd be more accurate to say that b/s evolves. All this "genre" tripe is invented by music journo's who can't play but are desperate to carve out a career in music and make it appear that they know something. Judgemental? Dismissive? Me? You bet. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Reggaebass said: There are so many genres out there that I’ve never heard of, someone sent me this once, you select a type and it normally gives you some samples, it’s almost endless https://everynoise.com/everynoise1d.cgi?root=russian reggae&scope=all As I saw there are also German special genre links listed, I'll take a closer look at the list the next few days to see if that's true.;) Edited November 29, 2023 by eloisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, eloisa said: As I saw there are also german special genre links listed, I'll take a closer look at the list the next few days to see if that's true.;) I flicked through some of the German and Italian reggae songs , Croatian hip hop has some good beats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernaut Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 49 minutes ago, Dan Dare said: It'd be more accurate to say that b/s evolves. All this "genre" tripe is invented by music journo's who can't play but are desperate to carve out a career in music and make it appear that they know something. Judgemental? Dismissive? Me? You bet. You feeling alright? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SumOne Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 4 hours ago, Shaggy said: Having recently taken the decision to step down from 46 years of gigging, but looking for a bit of a hobby project to play with other musicians, I occasionally look at the JMB ads. Have to say I’m entirely bemused by most of the genres mentioned; shoegaze, post hardcore, alt country, sludge metal, etc. etc Whatever happened to mods and rockers? All this were fields when I were a lad, y’know......🤔 Those genres have been around for most of your gigging years though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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