warwickhunt Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) You literally can't understand how a faker could get something SOOOOOOO wrong but my head started to hurt and wonder whether this was a genuine clever idea... that my brain just couldn't register. For sale for a paltry sum of 7200 euro. https://www.facebook.com/commerce/listing/913145782937721?media_id=3&ref=share_attachment Edited December 19, 2022 by warwickhunt Title change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebassist Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) Yeah - it’s an extended B headstock and something Fodera do build - there’s quite a bit of debate about whether the extended B head position makes much difference. Edited December 19, 2022 by thebassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FDC484950 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 It didn’t on the 3 or 4 I’ve tried and it looks awful IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordep Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Like what thebassist said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted December 19, 2022 Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, thebassist said: Yeah - it’s an extended B headstock and something Fodera do build - there’s quite a bit of debate about whether the extended B head position makes much difference. Seriously? Why would you extend the B string but then revert back to the E string being shorter? If the science says a longer string has a better fundamental, then surely that applies to the E string as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted December 19, 2022 Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, ordep said: Like what thebassist said: Ahhh but... That image is from the site that the seller has linked to and it is NOT the Fodera site! Use a search engine and you'll be directed to the Fodera site that is not hosted by 'SmugMug'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted December 19, 2022 Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 Help me out here folks my head is done in! I can't believe you'd chop back/forwards with the tuners like that, yet some of you are telling me it is genuine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 What's the thinking behind this, surely there's not much (if any) effect on how the speaking length of the string sounds? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted December 19, 2022 Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 Just now, lemmywinks said: What's the thinking behind this, surely there's not much (if any) effect on how the speaking length of the string sounds? So you're not questioning if it is a genuine Fodera? Is it really just me then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 https://www.talkbass.com/threads/strangest-peg-head-layout-ive-ever-seen-fodera.312057/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FDC484950 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, warwickhunt said: Help me out here folks my head is done in! I can't believe you'd chop back/forwards with the tuners like that, yet some of you are telling me it is genuine? Yes, it is. I’ve played a couple with this setup. There was some debate about it making the B string feel better. As you say it makes no logical sense as generally what happens past the nut (assuming a decent break angle, which Fodera already has due to an angled headstock) has pretty much zero effect on the string itself. Having spent decades in pursuit of a low B that sounds and feels like a good E string, a tapered string, bigger diameter and/or longer scale length are what really make the difference across the whole string length - assuming a decent break angle at nut and bridge, good strings and no twisting of the string). For ref the Fodera I tried first with this setup had a dull, poor sounding B, and the strings were new Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulhauser Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 54 minutes ago, warwickhunt said: So you're not questioning if it is a genuine Fodera? Is it really just me then? No doubts here, it is a genuine Fodera and they are using this "extended low B headstock" design for ages. It is a custom option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 58 minutes ago, warwickhunt said: So you're not questioning if it is a genuine Fodera? Is it really just me then? It is a genuine Fodera. The seller has supplied a link to the Fodera new build page for the instrument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 56 minutes ago, warwickhunt said: So you're not questioning if it is a genuine Fodera? Is it really just me then? Although I know possibly less than zero about Foderas it's easy to spot a fake, that's way too nice and the fakes are always shaped with a rusty spoon, especially the rear contours and the neck heel. Just don't get the thinking behind it, seems a bit of a gimmick which isn't something you'd expect with Fodera which have always struck me as simple basses done to an impeccable standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, ambient said: It is a genuine Fodera. The seller has supplied a link to the Fodera new build page for the instrument. Whatever the headstock arrangement that's a lovely looking bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machines Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, FDC484950 said: Having spent decades in pursuit of a low B that sounds and feels like a good E string, a tapered string, bigger diameter and/or longer scale length are what really make the difference across the whole string length - assuming a decent break angle at nut and bridge, good strings and no twisting of the string) Or to summarise, Dingwall. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted December 19, 2022 Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 Every day is a school day. Today I learned that Fodera are capable of making something simple and straightforward more complicated than it needs to be! Other opinions are available. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 And apparently headless Bongos are cool also, as you say, every day is a school day 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Beedster said: And apparently headless Bongos are cool also, as you say, every day is a school day 😀 They lose a little 'something' tonally, though... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimalkin Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 When you run out of design ideas, to keep the market turning, you have to resort to peddling the ridiculous, with all the great 'claims' that accompany it. And people will buy it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted December 19, 2022 Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 hours ago, LukeFRC said: https://www.talkbass.com/threads/strangest-peg-head-layout-ive-ever-seen-fodera.312057/ Dear God that has made matters worse! a) they've been doing this for years and I've never seen/heard of it. b) not only would it mess with your mind which tuner to reach for but... c) the B string tuner would work in reverse (or is it geared in reverse... please tell me it is). LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, warwickhunt said: Dear God that has made matters worse! a) they've been doing this for years and I've never seen/heard of it. b) not only would it mess with your mind which tuner to reach for but... c) the B string tuner would work in reverse (or is it geared in reverse... please tell me it is). LOL I think if you have never really wanted a Fodera, now is not the time to start a longing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Luc Pickguard Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) I can hardly comprehend that a brand so highly regarded would come up with such an inelegant solution to a problem that doesn't exist. This is the kind of thing I'd expect from basschat's favourite guitar improver. What next? foderas with the tuners set at jaunty angles and the bridge hanging off the ar$e end of the body. Edited December 19, 2022 by Jean-Luc Pickguard 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris2112 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Fodera have been offering this for years. I remember one of their staff/dealers commenting to the effect that they couldn't conclusively state if it made a difference or not but they'd build it like that if you wanted it. Fair enough, I think. I'm not convinced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lidl e Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 7200 quid for a bolt on neck bass. Get outta here. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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