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13 minutes ago, Grangur said:

Also, @Monkey Steve on your transaction; the buyer set up a Paypal account, said he'd paid. Then came and paid cash, but he was able to stop the Paypal payment?!?! 

You dodged a bullet there. If he was able to stop the payment he would have been able to do that after you'd parted with the goods.

I don't like Paypal due to the claiming back after goods "didn't arrive". But if you deliver to a mate - this could be a drop-off shop only. They might have no records of who the buyer is. Selling is a nightmare.

Exactly - nothing about it smelled right, and there was a lot of pressure to give him the bass as soon as possible and not to pay by the methods I had specified.  Apparently being able to reverse the PayPal payment didn't help his cause (and I never received any confirmation that it had been sent and was awaiting clearance) and there was also talk about getting the PayPal payment sent from a friend's account in Greece.

Maybe he was just inexperienced, but I don't regret telling him cash only

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perhaps also worth adding that all of the hassle was what made him stand out from all the other buyers that I've sold instruments to.  Everybody else has been keen to meet up and hand over the cash, or make the payment immediately so that it can be couriered to the address that is registered to them on PayPal (which would give me all the protection I need)

Maybe he was genuine and not trying to get the bass for free, but I don't regret insisting on cash for a second

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3 hours ago, Monkey Steve said:

I think of it like this

Ebay has given away your name and address, PayPal confirms your e-mail address, and now a shady sounding character wants your bank details.  It then becomes pretty easy to track you down on Facebook, which with a little bit of digging confirms your date of birth, and look you were playing "what's your pornstar name" which gives the answer to two of the most common security questions, and then LinkedIn confirms where you work.

That's plenty of information for somebody to start making credit and store card applications in your name...

 

Yet, it's not something that happens commonly. There is a reason for that,

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2 hours ago, Monkey Steve said:

perhaps also worth adding that all of the hassle was what made him stand out from all the other buyers that I've sold instruments to.  Everybody else has been keen to meet up and hand over the cash, or make the payment immediately so that it can be couriered to the address that is registered to them on PayPal (which would give me all the protection I need)

Maybe he was genuine and not trying to get the bass for free, but I don't regret insisting on cash for a second

 

I agree entirely.

In the end, whether it's easy or not to get scammed, you need to follow your instincts. You don't *need* to sell to a specific person, so if anything at all gives you a bad feeling... you don't need to explain it to them or anybody else. The way I see it, if you're the seller then you say how you want things to happen. There may be negotiations, but you don't have to do anything you are not comfortable with. 

I've passed on opportunities to sell, not because I was too worried about the money or safety, but because I smelled hassle, and life's too short to waste time like that.

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5 hours ago, Monkey Steve said:

I think of it like this

Ebay has given away your name and address, PayPal confirms your e-mail address, and now a shady sounding character wants your bank details.  It then becomes pretty easy to track you down on Facebook, which with a little bit of digging confirms your date of birth, and look you were playing "what's your pornstar name" which gives the answer to two of the most common security questions, and then LinkedIn confirms where you work.

That's plenty of information for somebody to start making credit and store card applications in your name...

On a matter of internet security and passwords: Don't forget that in many situations, your DoB, Mother's maiden name, memorable place etc, etc Don't have to be true.

OK for credit checking the bank may need your true info, but too many web sites ask for this same info for registering with them.  So, just look at it as another password.

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29 minutes ago, Grangur said:

On a matter of internet security and passwords: Don't forget that in many situations, your DoB, Mother's maiden name, memorable place etc, etc Don't have to be true.

But what if Mooseblaster really was my mother's maiden name?

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There are other types of time wasters though. Three years maybe back I drove half an hour to sit in a car park of a service station to wait for someone to bring me a Fender Rumble amp. He never showed, never answered his phone. After an hour I went home. 

All he needed to do was text me to say yes sold it elsewhere, couldn't be bothered driving out to meet me, didn't like the cut of my gib, anything. Just anything to not waste my time. 

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4 hours ago, uk_lefty said:

There are other types of time wasters though. Three years maybe back I drove half an hour to sit in a car park of a service station to wait for someone to bring me a Fender Rumble amp. He never showed, never answered his phone. After an hour I went home. 

All he needed to do was text me to say yes sold it elsewhere, couldn't be bothered driving out to meet me, didn't like the cut of my gib, anything. Just anything to not waste my time. 

I had a similar experience - drove 30 miles to meet a guy buying some passive PA cabs from me I had on ebay. Never showed, or answered my tests / calls. After wasting 2 hours of my time + fuel, I went home. After calming down a day later I left him negative feedback on ebay,  pointing out what had happened. After which he texted me, very abusive and said my listing had stated they were active cabs! When I sent him the listing saying otherwise he went quiet again. Unbelievable.

Have to say though that this was a one off - please to report most if not all of my other dealings via here, Ebay and Gumtree etc have been just fine. I always meet up face to face for a cash deal whether buying or selling, not being into Paypal scammers etc.

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On 22/05/2019 at 13:32, MoJo said:

I had this exact thing happen to me recently and received an 'Is this available' message from someone I knew. I replied with a 'Hi, yes it is.' To which he replied, 'Sorry mate, I didn't realise that I'd clicked on it'. I've had lots of 'Is this available' messages in the past, only to never hear from them again when I reply. I can only assume that a lot of them have clicked on it unintentionally too.

That wouldn't be on Gumtree by any chance? That exact phrase is almost unique to Gumtree responses I get. When I respond 'Yes, still here!' I hear nothing back say 70% of the time. I often wonder if it's a bot response to keep your ad active. 

Wonder when Gumtree will start charging on sales....

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works the other way too - i recently contacted somebody selling a rather nice bass and was practically trying to throw my money at him but he couldnt even be arsed to answer messages

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2 hours ago, NikNik said:

That wouldn't be on Gumtree by any chance? That exact phrase is almost unique to Gumtree responses I get. When I respond 'Yes, still here!' I hear nothing back say 70% of the time. I often wonder if it's a bot response to keep your ad active. 

Wonder when Gumtree will start charging on sales....

I've had this a few times - maybe someone with a similar item they're thinking of flogging checking out how your sale has done? Also why do a lot of people advertising on Gumtree never delete their ads once the item has been sold?

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1 hour ago, steve-bbb said:

works the other way too - i recently contacted somebody selling a rather nice bass and was practically trying to throw my money at him but he couldnt even be arsed to answer messages

I've had this too - now beginning to think there's more to it - possible scammer / dodgy bug*er etc.

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Selling a cycling jersey on Facebook. Ad title is pretty much 'Cycling Jersey - size large'. Description repeats this and gives example of how it fits as this brand runs smaller than most.


Enquiry 1

'Do you have this in extra small?'


Enquiry 2

Them: Is this available?

Me 5 mins later: Yes

48 hours pass

Them: Good, will you post it for asking price minus £x?

Me 5 mins later: No, but I will for asking price minus £y

36 hours pass

Them: OK, what's your PayPal?

Me 5 mins later: It's xxxxxxxx

72 hours pass

Me: Hello?

24 hours pass

Them: I've bought a new one instead.

 

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Not only are the users often time-wasters, but so are Ebay themselves. After spending 20 minutes preparing a listing, they refuse to list it as I won't accept Paypal for something that really needs to be cash on collection.

 

 

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52 minutes ago, knirirr said:

Not only are the users often time-wasters, but so are Ebay themselves

It's just one big money grab, and I'm surprised there aren't more complaints about eBay these days. A recent change seems to be auction + 'make an offer' which is confusing. Seems to be more full of dealers and new stuff and fewer straight auctions from private sellers. 
I imagine FB, Gumtree, even Preloved are eating away at eBay's dominance. I like the dialogue you can have through any of those and of course no fees. EBay block phone numbers (for example) in messages. There's a get-round - just spell a few of the numbers, works a treat.

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2 minutes ago, Soledad said:

I imagine FB, Gumtree, even Preloved are eating away at eBay's dominance

eBay own Gumtree...

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12 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said:

eBay own Gumtree...

This is why any search on Gumtree includes a few listings from Ebay.

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22 hours ago, knirirr said:

Not only are the users often time-wasters, but so are Ebay themselves. After spending 20 minutes preparing a listing, they refuse to list it as I won't accept Paypal for something that really needs to be cash on collection.

Just signify acceptance of PayPal but make it clear in the listing that it's cash on collection only. If someone sends a PP payment, refund it and tell them to come with the readies..

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1 hour ago, Dan Dare said:

Just signify acceptance of PayPal but make it clear in the listing that it's cash on collection only. If someone sends a PP payment, refund it and tell them to come with the readies..

Wouldn't that cause a right brou-ha-ha? The buyer would be right on to ebay.

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1 hour ago, NikNik said:

Wouldn't that cause a right brou-ha-ha? The buyer would be right on to ebay.

Probably, but it is an amusing thought.

Their support people did get back to me to claim that there's a "classified ad" option that allows cash on collection, but I'm damned if I can find where they've hidden it.

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43 minutes ago, knirirr said:

Probably, but it is an amusing thought.

Their support people did get back to me to claim that there's a "classified ad" option that allows cash on collection, but I'm damned if I can find where they've hidden it.

Google is your friend:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/selling/listings/listing-tips/selling-classified-ads?id=4167

 

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17 minutes ago, Stub Mandrel said:

DuckDuckGo is a pretty good replacement these days; I rarely need to try a Google search. 

Anyway,  step 3 of that particular guide can't be completed as the only formats on offer from the advanced tool are "auction" and "fixed price".

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52 minutes ago, knirirr said:

DuckDuckGo is a pretty good replacement these days; I rarely need to try a Google search. 

Anyway,  step 3 of that particular guide can't be completed as the only formats on offer from the advanced tool are "auction" and "fixed price".

It depends on whether the category is eligible.

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6 hours ago, NikNik said:

Wouldn't that cause a right brou-ha-ha? The buyer would be right on to ebay.

No. Legally, it's your property and you have the right to specify how you wish to be paid for it. If you want payment in cows or chickens, you are entitled to insist on that should you wish.

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8 hours ago, Dan Dare said:

No. Legally, it's your property and you have the right to specify how you wish to be paid for it. If you want payment in cows or chickens, you are entitled to insist on that should you wish.

But eBay's term and conditions do require that in exchange for using their platform, you agree to accept certain types of payment.

They know full well that some sellers use a variety of tricks to sell for cash off ebay, then claim the sale never went through in order to avoid paying ebay fees.

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