Happy Jack Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 It just gets harder and harder. If you weren't already aware of ULEZ then you really should be. Phase #1 (the existing Congestion Charge zone) arrives in six months. Phase #2 (all of London inside the North & South Circular) follows in three years. Start here just to see if your current vehicle will be hit by this: https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/vrm-checker-ulez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just use the tube, that’s what I do. I used a Mark Bass combo on a trolley. I’ve even carried a double bass on the tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvia Bluejay Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, ambient said: Just use the tube, that’s what I do. I used a Mark Bass combo on a trolley. I’ve even carried a double bass on the tube. Doesn't work when you're playing in pubs and have to carry the PA, the lights, etc. as well as your own rig. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, Silvia Bluejay said: Doesn't work when you're playing in pubs and have to carry the PA, the lights, etc. as well as your own rig. Every place I’ve played has had a PA. I assumed, obviously wrongly that most did in London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvia Bluejay Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, ambient said: Every place I’ve played has had a PA. I assumed, obviously wrongly that most did in London. Only 'proper' music venues have PA and lights. Pubs and similar, where most cover bands play, don't, and expect the bands to provide the equipment as part of the deal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Silvia Bluejay said: Only 'proper' music venues have PA and lights. Pubs and similar, where most cover bands play, don't, and expect the bands to provide the equipment as part of the deal. That explains it, I’ve only ever played at venues. They’ve tended to be fully equipped, even down to drum kits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 40 minutes ago, Happy Jack said: Start here just to see if your current vehicle will be hit by this: Just checked and it failed. This is a good thing because it gives me another compelling justification not to go up to London when the Missus starts banging on about art galleries and Peter Jones in Sloane Square. Thank you, Sadiq Khan, Mayor of London - you may have f**ked up tens of thousands of people but you have immeasurably enrichened my life. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Doesn’t affect me apparently. 🤷🏻♂️ Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Steve Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Silvia Bluejay said: Only 'proper' music venues have PA and lights. Pubs and similar, where most cover bands play, don't, and expect the bands to provide the equipment as part of the deal. yes - somewhere like the Boston Arms, Dublin Castle, etc will have a PA, likely some amps lying around, and at worst another band who you can share gear with - my preferred technique is to turn up on the tube with my bass and a Sansamp and DI. But the local boozer gigs will expect you to bring everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I’m personally of the opinion that we're too reliant on cars. What London is doing is ultimately good, Birmingham are introducing charging in the near future too. I’d rather not breath air that’s polluted by car and lorry exhaust fumes. If you play in a band and absolutely need to drive to a gig to carry your equipment then car share, organise amongst yourselves so you’re travelling in the minimum number of vehicles. I’m no doubt going to get a lot of dislikes for this, but we simply can’t carry on as we are, gridlocked roads and pollution, it’s unsustainable. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 my car is ok. Not that I have any intention of it ever going into London! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 That's another £12.50 I'll have to find to be able to play each of the two London gigs we have in the spring next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steantval Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, Woodinblack said: my car is ok. Not that I have any intention of it ever going into London! Same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_c2 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 We have a (vaguely) similar situation, albeit not in London. These days gigs are planned to the precision of "The Italian Job" (the first one, not the crappy sequel) and we deliberately go into, then plan our route out of, busy city centres and various events which inevitably attract big crowds. For example, the PA is now this: https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/Behringer-Eurolive-B205D-Active-150W-PA-Monitor/CEZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrixn1 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Happy Jack said: It just gets harder and harder. If you weren't already aware of ULEZ then you really should be. Phase #1 (the existing Congestion Charge zone) arrives in six months. Phase #2 (all of London inside the North & South Circular) follows in three years. Start here just to see if your current vehicle will be hit by this: https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/vrm-checker-ulez Another thing to be aware of is that the daily period runs midnight-midnight. So for a late-finishing gig, you might have to pay twice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Christ! I hadn't spotted that ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steantval Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Sadiq Khan hammering the final nails in the coffin of smaller live music venues, hard up musicians in older vehicles being hit with additional costs, are they worth playing.☹️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 14 minutes ago, steantval said: Sadiq Khan hammering the final nails in the coffin of smaller live music venues, hard up musicians in older vehicles being hit with additional costs, are they worth playing.☹️ I consider my car fairly new, it is a 2014 model, but it still gets hammered under this new charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreadBin Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, FinnDave said: I consider my car fairly new, it is a 2014 model, but it still gets hammered under this new charge. My 2010 3.0 turbo petrol BMW is fine. It does really well on the MOT emissions test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, BreadBin said: My 2010 3.0 turbo petrol BMW is fine. It does really well on the MOT emissions test. I drive a Mitsubishi Outlander, 2.2 litre diesel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I think the ULEZ is a fantastic notion, especially as my car seems to be exempt. Yah! Boo! Sucks! OK, that's not very sympathetic. But we gotta get diesels outta the city, man! What about the children? Won't somebody think of the children?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 My youngest is 28, why should I worry about children? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steantval Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, discreet said: I think the ULEZ is a fantastic notion, especially as my car seems to be exempt. Yah! Boo! Sucks! OK, that's not very sympathetic. But we gotta get diesels outta the city, man! What about the children? Won't somebody think of the children?? There to young to drive and go to pub gigs. Edited October 30, 2018 by steantval Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) Just realised that ULEZ could be seen as defamatory by some minority groups... Edited October 30, 2018 by FinnDave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 35 minutes ago, steantval said: Sadiq Khan hammering the final nails in the coffin of smaller live music venues, hard up musicians in older vehicles being hit with additional costs, are they worth playing.☹️ He’s doing it for a reason, don’t blame him for what he’s doing. Something has to be done. Can you think of anything better? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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