Woodinblack Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 If you are a top civil servant (which almost certainly means you got parachuted in from a good family), the honours are almost parts of the terms and conditions of the job, for doing your job like you were supposed to in the first place, which is why it always seemed like a pointless exersise. If your award was because you became very rich and famous doing your job, what is the point? If the award isn't for doing way more than your job actually required, what is the point of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 The honours list can tell you quite a lot, especially when you look at those people who haven't got one. When a long serving Prime Minister such as Tony Blair is repeatedly snubbed for a basic knighthood, let alone the more esoteric awards such as the 'Order of the Garter' which ex PMs normally get as a matter of routine (even John Major is a member) it tells you that he his very much on HM's naughty list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bam Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 I might be wrong, but hasnt 'Wiley' been awarded an MBE for 'services to music'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The59Sound Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 6 hours ago, Hellzero said: Explanations needed here !?! Sarcasm dear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The59Sound Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 9 minutes ago, Cato said: The honours list can tell you quite a lot, especially when you look at those people who haven't got one. When a long serving Prime Minister such as Tony Blair is repeatedly snubbed for a basic knighthood, let alone the more esoteric awards such as the 'Order of the Garter' which ex PMs normally get as a matter of routine (even John Major is a member) it tells you that he his very much on HM's naughty list. When you back a president who used war as a cover for dodgy business practices then I don't think you should get anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, la bam said: I might be wrong, but hasnt 'Wiley' been awarded an MBE for 'services to music'? Reading about his career it seems fair enough. Just about every big name in UK hip hop credits Wiley with either giving them their big break or helping them out early in their careers. He seems very highly respected within that community and no less deserving than anyone else who's been key in the development of. given music genre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 minute ago, The59Sound said: When you back a president who used war as a cover for dodgy business practices then I don't think you should get anything. Obviously her Madge feels the same way. Every year that the standard ex Prime Ministerial honours are withheld from Blair is like a personal slap in the face from the Queen. Long may it continue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryburke14 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 11 minutes ago, la bam said: I might be wrong, but hasnt 'Wiley' been awarded an MBE for 'services to music'? to be fair he was a big part of the early days of UK hip hop. The likes of Kano, Dizzee Rascal, JME, Sway, Skepta, Tinie Tempah, and more recently Stormzy, have all worked with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The59Sound Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 *Grime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryburke14 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Just now, The59Sound said: *Grime most folk here don't know difference but aye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The59Sound Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Like saying pop and metal are the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Dare Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Honours? Yeah, right. This is a bloody disgrace - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/new-years-honours-list-grenfell-tower-fire-heroes-manchester-terror-attack-london-a8133811.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bay Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 2 hours ago, The59Sound said: When you back a president who used war as a cover for dodgy business practices then I don't think you should get anything. I think a lot would like to see him get a free ticket to certain place in The Hague. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yank Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Saw a show from his tour a few years back. He drummed for two songs and then sang the rest of the night. The Beatles only let him sing one song a night. I guess he's getting his revenge, but I would rather see him drum than sing any day! Maybe that should have been one of the conditions of the award. Drum, don't sing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Dare Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 (edited) I think Ringo's got his gong for being an all round good geezer, not for being a a drummer, singer or whatever. I'm fine with that. He certainly deserves it a hell of a lot more than Clegg, Brady and all those political a r s e kissers. Edited December 31, 2017 by Dan Dare 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, Yank said: Saw a show from his tour a few years back. He drummed for two songs and then sang the rest of the night. The Beatles only let him sing one song a night. I guess he's getting his revenge, but I would rather see him drum than sing any day! Maybe that should have been one of the conditions of the award. Drum, don't sing! never had a good voice, but it still sounds the same which is more than can be said about Macca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 19 hours ago, Bluewine said: All this talk about Ringo and his drumming abilty really gets away from me. Anyone can be a good competent drummer. Ringo was first and foremost a Beatle. Being a Beatle was his job and nobody did or does it better than him. I say there's never too many hounors if you were a part of a band that changed the world for the better. Blue Quite agree, and for all those that knock his drumming ability, maybe they should ponder on the fact that two of the best songwriters in the world wanted his drumming on their songs, in their band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Great drummer. Fairly tedious public persona, through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassace Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 There has been quite a tide of pop knighthoods over the past few years, so who’s next, I wonder. Sir Sting perhaps? And Mark Knoffler does a lot of ‘good works’. Any ideas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 The only thing that bugs me a touch is that a lot of these awards of 'empire' are to people who don't even reside in the 'empire' let alone the country 😂 I suppose they might invest their millions in the U.K though 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 44 minutes ago, bassace said: There has been quite a tide of pop knighthoods over the past few years, so who’s next, I wonder. Sir Sting perhaps? And Mark Knoffler does a lot of ‘good works’. Any ideas There were a few stories about David Beckham a while ago which suggested that you generally don't get a knighthood for services outside of politics or government just by sitting on your backside waiting to be awarded one. There's a fair bit of lobbying the appropriate comittees involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NancyJohnson Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 7 hours ago, Lozz196 said: Quite agree, and for all those that knock his drumming ability, maybe they should ponder on the fact that two of the best songwriters in the world wanted his drumming on their songs, in their band. There's a lengthy thread elsewhere discussing Ringo's talent. Honestly, I'll admit I'm not really a fan of The Beatles, but I do wholly acknowledge their legacy and it was listening to Sgt Pepper for the first time that caused the Ringo-disdain to manifest itself...just listening to what he was doing on what is considered to be an epoch-making album left me cold. If nothing at all, it does give us the opportunity to enjoy and bask in the glory once again, of that fantastic dialogue from Red Dwarf's Parallel Universe episode: HOLLY: This is parallel universe, innit? RIMMER: What do you mean? HOLLY: Well, for instance, in this universe, it could be that Hitler won the Second World War. It could be something even more incredible, like perhaps Ringo was a really good drummer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mentalextra Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 On 12/30/2017 at 18:08, la bam said: I might be wrong, but hasnt 'Wiley' been awarded an MBE for 'services to music'? The Beatles have also already got an MBE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 9 minutes ago, mentalextra said: The Beatles have also already got an MBE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mentalextra Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, EssentialTension said: Didn't John hand it back in the end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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