Someone is in for a shock.

[theplumber]

[attachment=245573:Screenshot 2017-05-18 at 23.51.06.png]Messaged the seller,as I used to own a few of these guitars. This is either the made in India,Encore P bass or the Sunn Mustang. Either way,not a Fender and not worth over £400 that some poor bugger has bid!

[theplumber]

Used to own one of these,an old Encore,I believe,made in India. Not bad at 40 quid,oh..I think someone is in for a shock![attachment=245574:Screenshot 2017-05-18 at 23.51.06.png]

[T-Bay]

It's a minefield for the unwary for sure. They may well be happy with it until they come to sell it on, or may think Fenders are cheaply made rubbish! (Cue others making their own jokes on that one).

[stu_g]

I saw that and thought it was an encore,they have changed the string tree and neck plate,still has the original machineheads though.

[2x18]

Direct link if anyone fancies bidding -- He says he doesn't know much about it, but he has sold a fair bit of bass gear according to his feedback!

[url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Precision-Bass-/262989957377?hash=item3d3b6c4901:g:rBsAAOSw42JZHCx3"]http://www.ebay.co.u...BsAAOSw42JZHCx3[/url]

Edited May 19, 2017 by 2x18

[kendall]

Not doubting you at all. But how can you tell? Genuinely interested. What gave it away?

[mcnach]

to make it easier to inspect:

[url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Precision-Bass-/262989957377?hash=item3d3b6c4901:g:rBsAAOSw42JZHCx3"]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Precision-Bass-/262989957377?hash=item3d3b6c4901:g:rBsAAOSw42JZHCx3[/url]

[Rikki_Sixx]

I wondered the same. Saw this as I was eating breakfast and was half-asleep so didn't pick up on anything glaringly obvious other than the headstock logo position looks off.

It does look like a dodgy listing though, absolutely. Such a barebones titles and description, can't help but be suspicious!

[kendall]

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1495190058' post='3301971']
to make it easier to inspect:

[url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Precision-Bass-/262989957377?hash=item3d3b6c4901:g:rBsAAOSw42JZHCx3"]http://www.ebay.co.u...BsAAOSw42JZHCx3[/url]
[/quote]

Aha - I think the headstock is a give away now I look at it. Just a dodgy logo nothing else. An absolute bargain.

[LewisK1975]

Also the 'AMXN' and serial that's been stamped into the neck plate with manual hammer punches, that's a bit of a giveaway.

[LewisK1975]

Are we going to do the right thing and report the listing? If nothing else to save the poor sap who's bid?

[Phil Adams]

He (cleverly) hasn't actually claimed it to be anything other than a Precision bass.

[Phil Adams]

Perhaps the seller has bid on his own (Encore) bass to encourage other bids?

[Bass_Guardian]

What if I said I was the bidder.....





















(I'm not don't panic!)

[BassBunny]

[quote name='Phil Adams' timestamp='1495192570' post='3302004']
He (cleverly) hasn't actually claimed it to be anything other than a Precision bass.
[/quote]
Maybe not, but the suggestion is their by virtue of a Fender transfer and [size=4]"[color=#000000][font=Tahoma]The serial number indicates that it is a California Series from 1997 or 1998."[/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=Tahoma]Can't remem[/font][/color][/size][color=#000000][font=Tahoma][size=1][size=4]ber an Encore being built in California. [/size] [/size][/font][/color]

Edited May 19, 2017 by BassBunny

[dyerseve]

Yet another example of intonation being an unknown to most....

[KiOgon]

[quote name='dyerseve' timestamp='1495193436' post='3302018']
Yet another example of intonation being an unknown to most....
[/quote]Ah but when you have a Fender Precision with a zero fret like that - who needs intonation

[Phil Adams]

He hasn't said it is a Fender Bass, made in California in 1997 or 1998. Suitably vague misleading wording.

Lets send Bass Guardian round to give him a slap!

[Bass_Guardian]

[quote name='Phil Adams' timestamp='1495193954' post='3302030']
He hasn't said it is a Fender Bass, made in California in 1997 or 1998. Suitably vague misleading wording.

Lets send Bass Guardian round to give him a slap!
[/quote]

I'll stick my boot so far up his @rse people will think Doc Martins make hats!

[Phil Adams]

[Adrenochrome]

As "Precision Bass" is trademarked by Fender, and hasn't been used by Encore AFAIK, then the seller clearly is suggesting that the bass is something that it's not.

[theplumber]

I messaged the seller,to point out that I thought it was an Encore,having owned a few over the years. He said he had had the guitar over 10 years,paid about 300 for it and ''had never been sure'' thats why he had not listed it as a Fender. Went on to say it had been in a couple of shops over the years for set ups and they have never questioned it. Certainly plays and sounds like a Fender. ...Well,as I said,I owned a few of these made in India guitars.To be honest,they are good enough and sound fine. Well built,a bit heavy. I thought after giving him the info,he would have seen that the guitar is worth £40 to about £100 not over £400 that the current bid was.I was hoping he might have altered the listing at least,but no.....Reported it to ebay. Seeing as how he started the bid at £450 and wasn't sure about it being a Fender just seems bull sh*t!

[Fisheth]

That looks suspiciously dodgy!

[gjones]

I think you're right. The back of the machineheads are identical https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/?iid=112402724177&&&adgroupid=33676502101&rlsatarget=pla-270397365723&abcId=893836&adtype=pla&merchantid=114889302&poi=&googleloc=1007326&device=c&campaignid=707291931&crdt=0&chn=ps

[Bassassin]

The Indian-made Encores were the same basses as the Indian Sunn Mustangs. And as any fule kno, Sunn is/was owned by Fender.

So it might be a [i]bit[/i] Fender-y.