AI music overtakes real band its modelled on

[SteveXFR]

https://www.loudersound.com/news/holding-absence-speak-out-ai-bleeding-verse-overtakes-spotify-listeners-2025

 

Rock band, Holding Absence have been overtaken in Spotify charts by an AI band who's music is modelled on theirs. 

This seems like a significant and very sad occurrence. The band works hard writing, recording and promoting their music and then someone uses their hard work to knock out an AI copy that makes more money at little to no cost.

[Cato]

There's going ro be an absolute deluge of these from people hoping that if they churn out enough AI slop they might get a few hits that make money.

 

It's already happening on social media, every 3rd Instagram clip seems to be an AI fake and it's getting really hard to spot them.

 

There's got to be a gap in the market for a streaming service that can guarantee no AI content.

[SteveXFR]

7 minutes ago, Cato said:

There's going ro be an absolute deluge of these from people hoping that if they churn out enough AI slop they might get a few hits that make money.

 

It's already happening on social media, every 3rd Instagram clip seems to be an AI fake and it's getting really hard to spot them.

 

There's got to be a gap in the market for a streaming service that can guarantee no AI content.

 

Id sign up for that streaming service and Id pay more for it.

AI music is a parasite. It feeds off real music while also killing it. 

[Marvin]

I absolutely hate AI. It's theft.

[Musicman666]

any bands that actually push their own envelopes and develop artistically thus challenging their fan base with each new release need not worry ... ai is like the formulaic approach ...no innovation, it gets boring pretty fast. 

[tegs07]

36 minutes ago, Cato said:

There's going ro be an absolute deluge of these from people hoping that if they churn out enough AI slop they might get a few hits that make money.

 

It's already happening on social media, every 3rd Instagram clip seems to be an AI fake and it's getting really hard to spot them.

 

There's got to be a gap in the market for a streaming service that can guarantee no AI content.

It seems that the solution is simple. Delete your social media accounts.

 

[SteveXFR]

2 minutes ago, tegs07 said:

It seems that the solution is simple. Delete your social media accounts.

 

 

More people are doing that now and AI is a common reason for leaving social media. People don't want fake videos and rip off music 

[tegs07]

2 minutes ago, SteveXFR said:

 

More people are doing that now and AI is a common reason for leaving social media. People don't want fake videos and rip off music 

I would like to think people are becoming more aware that these ‘free’ services are anything but free. 

[itu]

AI "music" is very clean down to perfection. There's no "fear" in the music anymore and it becomes muzak. If I could contaminate the material, I most probably would do it. 

[Al Krow]

Streamed music has already dealt a blow to most bands' hopes of making decent money from their original creations. AI assisted / generated music music is just the next nail in that coffin.

 

Live music is where it's at for most bands and solo artists looking to make a living from their art. Yes there's one hologram providing superb entertainment, at vast cost and albeit with some incredible session musicians actually playing the music, but an average punter going down a busy pub doing live music at the weekend ain't going to be fobbed off with anything but a live band or solo act.

 

What we all should be campaigning against is the ridiculous infringement of copyright laws that our Govt seems to be wanting to wave through for AI companies to train their large-language models on, and which is theft pure and simple.

Edited 18 hours ago by Al Krow

[tegs07]

Just now, Al Krow said:

Streamed music has already dealt a blow to most bands' hopes of making decent money from their original creations. AI assisted / generated music music is just the next nail in that coffin.

I have mixed feelings about streaming.  In the good old days I bought lots of physical music, bought the NME, had friends in bands and who went to loads of gigs and kept me in the loop. Now not so much. I use Spotify but the last 2 bands I saw live and the one I am going to see next I would never have heard about without Spotify. 

[Bolo]

2 hours ago, Cato said:

 

There's got to be a gap in the market for a streaming service that can guarantee no AI content.

*Deezer *

Edit: apologies, even Deezer can't stop uploaders from sneaking ai hidden in albums. They do tag it and encourage users to report ai.

https://support.deezer.com/hc/en-gb/articles/28222522835101-AI-Content-Tagging-on-Deezer

Edited 17 hours ago by Bolo

[Bolo]

2 hours ago, SteveXFR said:

Id sign up for that streaming service and Id pay more for it

Edit: Inaccurate statement by me, see above.

Edited 17 hours ago by Bolo

[BigRedX]

Before we all get worked up with our keyboard outrage, has anyone taken the time to actually listen to the two bands in question?

 

Holding Absence are rather formulaic bland modern pop-rock so it's really no surprise that AI has supposedly been able to replicate their "style" of music. I'd be interested to know just why Lucas Woodland has decided that Bleeding Verse are copying his band and not the countless other real bands doing the same kind of music with rock guitars, keyboards and alternating melodic and screamo vocals?

 

There's no real story there at all. I'm sure that Holding Absence have managed to get some more streams and maybe a few more fans, but it all smacks of publicity seeking to me.

 

[prowla]

14 hours ago, itu said:

AI "music" is very clean down to perfection. There's no "fear" in the music anymore and it becomes muzak. If I could contaminate the material, I most probably would do it. 

TBH, there's probably more human thought been put into the AI than some of the muzak/elevator music I've heard in my time.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by prowla

[Richard R]

I listen to Spotify to search out bands and find new artists but their business model stinks.

This is quite a good read - it does tend to repeat and rant a bit there is nonetheless some really interesting information. 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mood-Machine-Spotify-Perfect-Playlist/dp/1399718843

 

Bandcamp is the best platform for artists to release music on. I listen to all sorts at work and have bought more than a dozen albums either as physical CD or FLAC now.

 

[neepheid]

Don't worry, The Inevitable Teaspoons are currently recording our second album, all by ourselves, in our RF hellhole of a rehearsal room, with whatever mics we can find and a Zoom R24, mixed by me who knows hee haw about mixing.  What could possibly go wrong?  But it will sound about as far from AI generated "perfection" as it's possible to be, and even though no effer will listen to it, it might poison the AI well a touch...

[BigRedX]

21 minutes ago, Richard R said:

Bandcamp is the best platform for artists to release music on. I listen to all sorts at work and have bought more than a dozen albums either as physical CD or FLAC now.

 

Unfortunately IME Bandcamp is a muso/indie ghetto. Fine if all you want to do is reach other musicians and a few hardcore music fans, but nearly useless for reaching ordinary people. The sort of people you need to reach if you want to really grow your fan base.

[SumOne]

I could see AI music being good if it gets to be properly intelligent and did the job of good music by making you feel something and then enhances that experience by making it truely personalised. e.g. music to help you relax/sleep that is in-tune with your sleep patterns and heartrate, music that is just right for motivating you at the righ parts of a marathon, music that helps you concentrate on study/work within the timeframes you give it. In some ways, it takes the 'celebrity/pop icon' aspects out of it and just leaves you with the music and emotion it creates which is possibly a good thing?

 

But yeah, current AI music isn't any of that - it is just a middle of the road regurgitation of stuff humans have made. If it doesn't move on from that I'd expect that once it starts heavily referencing AI made music it will just get get increasingly bland. 

 

A quote from Thomas Bangalter from Daft Punk when they split up "As much as I love this character, the last thing I would want to be, in the world we live in, in 2023, is a robot". He went on to completely leave technology out of it and hand-wrote a Ballet score that was only played on traditional instruments. I expect there will be more of this sort of push-back, a young person today might grow up always accepting AI music for their gym workout or background ambient music but I expect (or hope) there will also be more enthusiasm to see humans playing instruments live.

[SteveXFR]

2 hours ago, BigRedX said:

Before we all get worked up with our keyboard outrage, has anyone taken the time to actually listen to the two bands in question?

 

Holding Absence are rather formulaic bland modern pop-rock so it's really no surprise that AI has supposedly been able to replicate their "style" of music. I'd be interested to know just why Lucas Woodland has decided that Bleeding Verse are copying his band and not the countless other real bands doing the same kind of music with rock guitars, keyboards and alternating melodic and screamo vocals?

 

There's no real story there at all. I'm sure that Holding Absence have managed to get some more streams and maybe a few more fans, but it all smacks of publicity seeking to me.

 

 

The AI groups creator cited Holding Absence as the main band he used to create his AI album. You can hear it in instrument and vocal tones.

Holding Absence are basically the same as late Bring Me The Horizon so I guess the AI geezer didn't use them because of their rather fanatical fans and big legal power.

[hiram.k.hackenbacker]

So if you had a hit after ripping off an AI created tune, would the internet have to sue you? 🤷‍♂️

[Naigewron]

17 hours ago, Cato said:

There's got to be a gap in the market for a streaming service that can guarantee no AI content.

 

The problem is that no streaming service can guarantee that, unless they demand to see the DAW project that was used when producing the song. There's no algorhithm or manual process they can employ that will eliminate all AI music and not also flag a bunch of real music as AI.

[BigRedX]

11 minutes ago, Naigewron said:

The problem is that no streaming service can guarantee that, unless they demand to see the DAW project that was used when producing the song. There's no algorhithm or manual process they can employ that will eliminate all AI music and not also flag a bunch of real music as AI.

 

And even then how can they tell that the artist hasn't got AI to generate the original musical idea which they have then re-created manually?

[BigRedX]

29 minutes ago, SteveXFR said:

The AI groups creator cited Holding Absence as the main band he used to create his AI album. You can hear it in instrument and vocal tones.

Holding Absence are basically the same as late Bring Me The Horizon so I guess the AI geezer didn't use them because of their rather fanatical fans and big legal power.

 

To my ears Holding Absence are more like Sempiternal-era Bring Me The Horizon, but nowhere near as interesting and 10 years too late.

 

So basically an already derivative rock band are complaining because someone has used AI to create something similar.

 

As I said in my earlier post, it's a publicity-seeking non-story.

Edited 2 hours ago by BigRedX

[Naigewron]

5 minutes ago, BigRedX said:

 

And even then how can they tell that the artist hasn't got AI to generate the original musical idea which they have then re-created manually?

 

True. And many artists don't even have access to these project files - They just entered a studio, played their instruments, and then got a final mix at the end of it. And the project files for any song that's older than 10-20 years old will probably be very hard to locate at this point. They might have the stems, but probably not the project itself.

 

But it's not like any streaming service will have the manpower to manually inspect the projects files of every song they're hosting on their platform, so that wasn't really a serious suggestion anyway.