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15 hours ago, Frank Blank said:

Now I realise I’m almost certainly an exception here but when I buy a bass, second hand or new, I don’t amplify it, I listen to it acoustically, when I like a bass and subsequently buy it, that acoustic sound is what I’m looking for when amplified, uncoloured, just (obviously) louder! 

We’re both exceptions then Frank. I know it’s supposed to be all about PUPs and circuit, but that unplugged tone says it all about a bass. I always put my chin against the upper horn to check how well the body resonates as well 

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Thanks Bill.  I'll never know if I made the most optimal decision in purchasing the 732 over the 712, since only after using the 732 in real life for many months did I know for sure it could do everything I needed it to.  I'm not about to repeat that experiment for the 712 but if someone else could volunteer (who is in exactly the same scenarios as I find myself in) I would be interested to know the results.

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I might be.  I now go through the pa for the 2 bands I'm in so am considering changing my cab/head rig for one of these as it is only really for rehearsals and the 'odd' gig when i don't go through pa.  The difference in cost is fairly significant - £620 vs £400.

But then you get what you pay for....

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1 hour ago, jrixn1 said:

Thanks Bill.  I'll never know if I made the most optimal decision in purchasing the 732 over the 712, since only after using the 732 in real life for many months did I know for sure it could do everything I needed it to.  I'm not about to repeat that experiment for the 712 but if someone else could volunteer (who is in exactly the same scenarios as I find myself in) I would be interested to know the results.

I don't know about being the same boat but both the drivers are changed, I'd imagine the bass driver will probably have a bigger magnet and allow for improvements in excursion and maybe control over the cone. The specs show a 3dB increase in total output which will be determined mainly by the ability of the bass driver to handle bass excursion. Both systems seem to have the same amp but both will be throttled back by the onboard processing the 712 slightly more so. You've got a better speaker :)

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7 hours ago, Bill Fitzmaurice said:

The load on a woofer at 1600Hz is roughly 1/16th what it is at 100Hz, so dropping the crossover to 700Hz won't make an appreciable difference where that's concerned. The midrange dispersion angle of a twelve at 1600Hz is roughly half what it is at 700Hz, so from that standpoint the lower crossover is highly advantageous. They can only do that by using a compression driver capable of going to 700Hz.

The dispersion angle of a 12" driver is about 90-degrees. So you're not going to increase the dispersion below that frequency using a 90-degree horn. In fact, you'll limit it to 90-degrees down to 700Hz. At least in theory. The horn on that speaker doesn't look big enough to maintain its dispersion down to 700Hz.

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16 hours ago, jrixn1 said:

Thanks Bill.  I'll never know if I made the most optimal decision in purchasing the 732 over the 712, since only after using the 732 in real life for many months did I know for sure it could do everything I needed it to.  I'm not about to repeat that experiment for the 712 but if someone else could volunteer (who is in exactly the same scenarios as I find myself in) I would be interested to know the results.

I borrowed one of our PA tops to use a wedge for a gig that had supplied PA. The 712 wasn't enough for me. My gut feeling is that there is quite a gap between the 712 and the 732.

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On 27/02/2020 at 00:46, Frank Blank said:

I play through a HX Stomp into a QSC K12.2, much as I like playing around with the Stomp I mainly use it for a touch of compression and really small eq tweaks. What always surprises me is just how superb the basses sound plugged directly into the QSC. I spend decades looking for bass amps that reproduced the sound of the bass without adding or subtracting any colour. Now I realise I’m almost certainly an exception here but when I buy a bass, second hand or new, I don’t amplify it, I listen to it acoustically, when I like a bass and subsequently buy it, that acoustic sound is what I’m looking for when amplified, uncoloured, just (obviously) louder! The QSC is the only amplification solution that has ever given me this. I use The Stomps sims sometimes with my short scale fretless simply to get a tone near to that of an upright bass but again I find it difficult to beat the sound that I get directly plugged in. The Stomp has so many variables to tweak that I’ve barely scratched the surface but then the quality of the sounds just plugging in the basses directly is so good I’m in no hurry!

That’s exactly the info I was searching for.I’m finding it a little difficult deciding wether or not to get rid of my gear now as it will be a complete change for me 

Do you still have your separates?

 

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4 hours ago, frannie01 said:

That’s exactly the info I was searching for.I’m finding it a little difficult deciding wether or not to get rid of my gear now as it will be a complete change for me 

Do you still have your separates?

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No. All I have is the above rig. If you want to try mine out just say and we can sort something out.

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9 hours ago, Frank Blank said:

No. All I have is the above rig. If you want to try mine out just say and we can sort something out.

Ok That's Brilliant.really helpful....Thanks  

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On 20/02/2020 at 03:10, frannie01 said:

Ok nice I’ll have a look

ill post any findings 

Cheers 

Hi finally got round to checking this out,looks like its been dis continued ? 

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14 hours ago, frannie01 said:

Hi finally got round to checking this out,looks like its been dis continued ? 

Yes, the Barefaced FR800 was indeed discontinued.

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Just now, jrixn1 said:

Yes, the Barefaced FR800 was indeed discontinued.

Worth keeping an eye for though ?

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I've taken the plunge and just ordered the RCF Art- 732, selling off all my old stuff.  Here goes!  :)   

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3 hours ago, Paul S said:

I've taken the plunge and just ordered the RCF Art- 732, selling off all my old stuff.  Here goes!  :)   

It will be fine. I bought a RCF 715 about 6 months ago and it`s working out fine. The guitarist ( a devout Marshall tube combo user ) can`t get his head around it though!

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On 20/02/2020 at 10:31, Bill Fitzmaurice said:

Cars get a major bass response boost from Cabin Gain, also known as Pressure Vessel gain. So do headphones. It's the reason why they give good bass when tight to the ears but it disappears when they're pulled away.

I thought it was due to resonance from where my brain should be! LOL

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I've been happy with my Acme B2 cabinets. I have four but only use two to gig with. They are a 2x10 box and I stack a pair for a vertical 4x10.  The way they handle the Low B of my sixes is a pure delight!! :)

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