Wolverinebass Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 You're either in the band or you're not in the band. If I'd seen that post I'd have quit immediately. I don't take crap or even dare I say it, the scraps from other people's tables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzmanb Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Wolverinebass said: You're either in the band or you're not in the band. If I'd seen that post I'd have quit immediately. I don't take crap or even dare I say it, the scraps from other people's tables. I get about 20 gigs a year at a good rate from a band I'm not in .Music doesn't have to be so precious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorks5stringer Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 Well, one consequence of the situation is that my GAS has been sharply reigned in. I was thinking 4 P/T Basses were not enough, but now I'll stick with them and maybe even sell a couple... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickJ Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, yorks5stringer said: FWIW I have responded to their original response( we always intended to gig with different line-ups) asking for more transparency in future and saying how disappointed I feel with the situation. I'm curious to hear how the band responded to your message? Did they play the festivals minus bass, or did they have another player, or were they using an alternative instrument (keys??) - I can't imagine a band playing without any sort of low end ?? Edited September 11, 2018 by PJ-Bassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, jazzmanb said: Music doesn't have to be so precious. Well, no. Especially if it's Jazz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzbass Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 On 09/09/2018 at 02:04, Len_derby said: Think about Darryl Jones. Played with the Stones for 22 years and not considered a proper Stone... Ron Wood is STILL the new guy, only been with them for 44? years lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorks5stringer Posted September 11, 2018 Author Share Posted September 11, 2018 9 hours ago, PJ-Bassist said: I'm curious to hear how the band responded to your message? Did they play the festivals minus bass, it did they have another player, or were they using an alternative instrument (keys??) - I can't imagine a band playing without any sort of low end ?? They did some gigs as 2 acoustics plus cahon and the other with the same lineup plus fiddle. Both their albums have bass all the way through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorks5stringer Posted September 26, 2018 Author Share Posted September 26, 2018 Just a quick update: following me seeing an ad yesterday advertising the band on Dec 1st as part of a 3 band line-up, I asked the question, (as I had not been consulted re being free that day) if they were doing it as a duo , trio or quartet, and would that be without me? They replied thanking me for my input over the last year and said we ought to call it time. Gutted😉! Bunch of cowboys..... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Just now, yorks5stringer said: Just a quick update: following me seeing an ad yesterday advertising the band on Dec 1st as part of a 3 band line-up, I asked the question, (as I had not been consulted re being free that day) if they were doing it as a duo , trio or quartet, and would that be without me? They replied thanking me for my input over the last year and said we ought to call it time. Gutted😉! Bunch of cowboys..... They're tools. Get yourself a better band where you're actually "in the band." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Just now, Wolverinebass said: They're tools. Get yourself a better band where you're actually "in the band." Yes, they're wänkers. The OP has been involved in the band equivalent of a zero-hours contract. Not surprising though really, in a gig economy. Wakka! Wakka! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Steve Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 well that sucks...though I guess it answers a few questions remind me, has this happened after you'd asked for clarification on your place in the band? It would be a very clumsy power play if you're suddenly not in the band after asking form clarification that you are in fact in the band. they must have a whole sack full of insecurities and tiny, tiny pen1ses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12stringbassist Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 From the initial post, I would ask them for a list of dates, with the ones that they want you on asterisked. Then make a decision. I personally would not want to be in a band that drops musicians as per the main two people in the band, then picks them up again. It's not you. It's them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martthebass Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 1 hour ago, yorks5stringer said: Just a quick update: following me seeing an ad yesterday advertising the band on Dec 1st as part of a 3 band line-up, I asked the question, (as I had not been consulted re being free that day) if they were doing it as a duo , trio or quartet, and would that be without me? They replied thanking me for my input over the last year and said we ought to call it time. Gutted😉! Bunch of cowboys..... Think you file this one under 'no loss'. Much better to be part of a band where you're appreciated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorks5stringer Posted September 26, 2018 Author Share Posted September 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Monkey Steve said: well that sucks...though I guess it answers a few questions remind me, has this happened after you'd asked for clarification on your place in the band? It would be a very clumsy power play if you're suddenly not in the band after asking form clarification that you are in fact in the band. they must have a whole sack full of insecurities and tiny, tiny pen1ses Yes, when I asked why they were doing gigs in August without me, they said they had always adapted the lineup to suit the venue or promoter, be it duo, trio, quartet or sextet -5 piece! I said I appreciated that but could they be more transparent about the process and keep me in the loop as I was still committed? I did also point out at the audition they explained they were looking for a bass to make up a 5 piece band to play Festivals etc. Problem was they did at least 3 Festivals without me even though the venues were large enough. My last f2f rehearsal/contact with them was on 21st August, then radio silence..... I already knew the die had been cast and suspect money was at the bottom of it as the gigs I did play tended to be for cider tokens or food and a drink (Charity)rather than cash. I think I only got paid 3 times in around 8 gigs and they creamed off the lucrative paying ones as a duo......yes I know, my bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 16 minutes ago, yorks5stringer said: ...they explained they were looking for a bass to make up a 5 piece band to play Festivals etc. Problem was they did at least 3 Festivals without me even though the venues were large enough. Yeah, that's totally unacceptable. I think I would have let them know exactly what I thought about that and moved on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 16 minutes ago, discreet said: Yeah, that's totally unacceptable. I think I would have let them know exactly what I thought about that and moved on. Yeah, they wouldn't have seen me again after that either. However, they would have been seeing an emergency dentist.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 3 hours ago, yorks5stringer said: They replied thanking me for my input over the last year and said we ought to call it time. I say we should all go round and give these bastards a savage leathering. Let's sort out a minibus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorks5stringer Posted September 26, 2018 Author Share Posted September 26, 2018 Just now, skankdelvar said: I say we should all go round and give these bastards a savage leathering. Let's sort out a minibus. Naw, they ain't worf it, leave it art.🤐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, yorks5stringer said: Naw, they ain't worf it, leave it art.🤐 Matter of principle, innit? They disrespected our faahhhmlee. End of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, yorks5stringer said: Naw, they ain't worf it, leave it art.🤐 If nothing else, it would have been a nice day out. We could have had chips on the way back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, discreet said: Matter of principle, innit? They disrespected our faahhhmlee. End of. You are Big Vern and I claim my £5.00 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylon Pilson Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 36 minutes ago, yorks5stringer said: Naw, they ain't worf it, leave it art.🤐 They deprived you of the satisfaction of quitting, by firing you first. I think that that's unacceptable. Oooh, ooh, unless you actually said "you can't fire me, because I QUIT!" - pleeeeeease tell me you said that. S.P. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 2 hours ago, yorks5stringer said: I already knew the die had been cast and suspect money was at the bottom of it as the gigs I did play tended to be for cider tokens or food and a drink (Charity)rather than cash. I think I only got paid 3 times in around 8 gigs and they creamed off the lucrative paying ones as a duo......yes I know, my bad! Yeh - I wouldn't let the amount of free gigs exceed the amount of paid ones! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumnote Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 i think thats really poor behaviour. Same thing happened to a friend of mine who plays drums. He used to do a 60 mile round trip every sunday for rehearsals and found out, as you did, that they had been doing gigs as trios as well as their normal 4 man line up. If people are upfront, an informed decision can be made. If the band says nothing, they know what they are doing is underhand, and they are contemptable. Hopefully they will advertise for a replacement who has read your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorks5stringer Posted September 26, 2018 Author Share Posted September 26, 2018 37 minutes ago, Stylon Pilson said: They deprived you of the satisfaction of quitting, by firing you first. I think that that's unacceptable. Oooh, ooh, unless you actually said "you can't fire me, because I QUIT!" - pleeeeeease tell me you said that. S.P. My last email to them: Am I to assume, that the December 1st gig at Glastonbury URC is as a duo or 3 piece? I notice the other 2 bands on the bill are a 3 piece or 5 piece, so just wondering if your decision was based on Promoter requests or some other reason? I did ask you for some transparency around these sort of decisions in my last email. I mention this as I was close to getting some paid Sunday pm dates at 2 venues for the full band but if you feel a 5 piece redacted is no longer viable then I will direct my energies to other projects. They did not answer my question in their reply but just suggested I leave as I was obviously dissatisfied..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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