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You've walked into a studio with probably the two most industry standard basses that any engineer worth his salt will know how to get you the greatest sound in about two minutes and it seems he hasn't, so say something. If every time you listen to the recordings, you're thinking "bugger" then you need to mention it.

Even without the bit on the FRONT where it looks as if someone has badly sanded it down to stick on the decal, is that cheap for a Mex neck?

[quote name='urb' post='1141072' date='Feb 25 2011, 01:22 PM']For me Jaco's tone is / was a direct reflection of his personality - which was not one that SAT BACK - he was a totally in your face player, he WANTED to be noticed - if that meant walking all over the rest of the band, so be it, that was Jaco - the one thing he had above and beyond any technique/tone thing was [b]personality[/b] - something sadly lacking in many players today - he was a 'marmite' kind of guy - and like all great artists he was very good at pissing people off sometimes... he was also a huge inspiration to millions of people (not just bassists) and that's an indisputable fact. This for me is Jaco at his grooving-best - so on it and just right in the groove: M[/quote] Great playing, but a little too up front in the mix for me. I think it detracts from what she's doing a tad

[quote name='BigRedX' post='1140929' date='Feb 25 2011, 11:42 AM']If you're an artist with an original voice you are going to attract criticism. Also no matter how talented you are there are always going to be more people in the world who don't like what you did/are doing than who like it. Add to that the fact that people are more likely to complain about stuff they don't like, than rave about stuff they do. That's how it is. As an artist you either have/grow a thick skin and shrug it off, or pack it in. TBH I don't have time for whinging artists, these days it should be obvious what they're getting into. If they don't have the stomach for a bit of unconstructive criticism, then make way for someone who does. Anyone who's influenced by a few unkind comments on YouTube isn't much of a artist or a fan. Plus Jaco's dead. He doesn't care anymore what we think of him. A quick trawl through Off-Topic will show that Pete Academy has a long history of getting worked up about issues that he has little influence over. If I was one of his band members or co-workers I would be a little concerned about his mental and physical health (all that impotent rage has to go somewhere and I doubt that an internet forum is sufficient release), but since I'm not I don't really care any more than to write this single post.[/quote] I took the poster's thread to mean " are people who criticise JP's tone making an educated crtitcism?" and then, merely put his own point of view across as to why he liked it. For me, Jaco Pastorious is not someone who is often played on my stereo. I can't deny his influence on the world of bass playing and so, bought and listened to, what he did, in order to make a judgement if it's for me or not, and it wasn't. However, I think it wrong to personally attack the poster and to make personal comments about his mental and physical state. If you dislike his posts, don't read them.

You obviously bought the five string because you felt you may have a need for it. Is it not worth persevering for a little longer? You may find that given a bit of time that it could work for you. I personally find it handy to have that extra B string and if I could only have one bass, it would probably be a five. As said before, unless you are desperate for the money, hang on to it. Re the price of basses, keep an eye on the for sale section to get a guide. Stuff will only sell at what it's really worth (on the day)

[quote name='fiatcoupe432' post='1140700' date='Feb 25 2011, 01:12 AM']Hi All ,i need help as im gonna trade a instrument that is located in greece,have you ever trade it oversea? how im gonna do it without buy a flight ticket? where i must start? all help welcome thank you with anticipation Antoin[/quote] Hi Antoin, Is it with another basschatter? If it is, the first thing to do is check out if they have any feedback. (Bottom of the main page) I sold a bass to a member on here a year or so ago. (kermitnt) if it's him, you have no problem. He's a great guy. I live in France and sent the bass, a fretless Stingray via the French post office with no problems. As you live in the UK though, I would suggest an international courier, and the same for the other guy sending you the bass. Make sure you have them both fully insured and that they both have a tracking number so you can keep an eye on things. It all comes down to whether you trust each other to send the bass really, especially if you don't know each other. If you are going to fly out, I guess the other person should pay half your travel costs.

[quote name='BottomE' post='1138487' date='Feb 23 2011, 02:06 PM']I just realised you are in France. I was there for about 6 years playing in Paris and had quite a few similar experiences. That said, it could happen anywhere. I am surprised that you have got so much mileage out of this thread though. After all, thats why you have auditions right? To see if the applicant is suitable? To sort the wheat from the chaff. They were not suitable so hey try someone else. If i posted a thread for every time we had someone fail an audition it would probably need another Forum.[/quote] The thread has probably lasted a while because people post replies that warrant a reply. Like yours. The post wasn't about a crap drummer failing an audition. It was about my disbelief that her idiot of a tutor would put the poor girl forward for the audition in the first place. Apologies that this thread has now lasted another 10 seconds.

[quote name='menolikeslap' post='1138280' date='Feb 23 2011, 11:30 AM']Sounds like she was protecting her self-esteem with a remarkable [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect"]Dunning-Kruger reflex[/url]. I'd never say I'm better than another musician, then again I have no self-respect [/quote] I hadn't heard of that. Most interesting reading. Thanks for posting the link.

[quote name='cheddatom' post='1138163' date='Feb 23 2011, 09:46 AM']Well, she sounds perfect to me. Even if it does take a year to [s]groom[/s] get her up to speed.[/quote]

I think that this is the nature of the beast as far as a lot of us go. I admit, I do envy friends who tell me they've had one gigging bass or guitar for 10 years and always enjoy playing it (especially when it does sound great) I'm like you, GAS, honeymoon, wall, and the cycle repeats. With me, probably convincing myself that the next one will be "the one" that will give me what I'm looking for. In my case, if I'm honest, it's probably me trying to cover up my lack of ability, thinking that the next one will help me play better. Having spouted all this, I do really enjoy collecting instruments be it guitars, basses or whatever. At the moment, I'm happy. I got a great deal from a BC'er on a Spector 6 string and I'm in love but, It's not what I was after in the first place so the search will continue no doubt. Maybe jazzers don't have this problem as I never hear of all the Bilbos reporting new aquisitions all the time. So, don't really know the answer.

[quote name='skankdelvar' post='1137992' date='Feb 23 2011, 01:47 AM']So let me get this straight. Your function band auditioned a tattoed 18 year old French Goth called Alice who arrived with a doting Papa but no sticks? She lacked the basic skill of timekeeping. You helped her out with some constructive advice and she blew a pert French raspberry at you. How could this [i]ever [/i]have gone well? Pour yourself a long one and take the rest of the night off [/quote] Equal opportunities and all that. Appearances are nothing. The fact she turned up with dad probably makes him a responsible parent. I wouldn't have let my 18 year old daughter go to meet a bunch of strangers in the middle of nowhere. To his credit, he did not open his mouth once other than to say hello and goodbye. She could have been great but, obviously wasn't.

[quote name='Bankai' post='1138010' date='Feb 23 2011, 02:03 AM']Once again this proves the theory. Girls can't drum well. Now if you excuse me, I'll be sipping from my glass of awesomeness.[/quote] Really? There's a million of them out there like this. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkqTg7iqx94"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkqTg7iqx94[/url] If she'd have turned up, I wouldn't have posted in the first place.

[quote name='flyfisher' post='1137863' date='Feb 22 2011, 11:38 PM']Have you still got her number - she sounds better than a drummer I know. [/quote] I do actually. Could also let you have Charlie Drake's as well although I do believe he had to let the dustbin go due to hard times.

Didn't a lot of the 5 string Rays have a problem with the G string always slipping off the edge of the fingerboard?

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1137725' date='Feb 22 2011, 10:03 PM']I do and Im glad you saw what I was saying in a sensible light and didnt take it the wrong way Drummers Eh......[/quote] No problem mate. I understood that it's all a matter of opinion. I guess we have both learned a lesson here. I will not offer advice any more unless it's requested and maybe she, (hopefully) will reflect on whether any of it was warranted. Kids eh.......

[quote name='merello' post='1137653' date='Feb 22 2011, 09:25 PM']So she never agreed to sex![/quote] Ah, now I remember why I love BC so much. The ever present voice of sanity

[quote name='BurritoBass' post='1137389' date='Feb 22 2011, 06:50 PM']Sounds like more of a theorist than a practitioner. Good luck to her. I still can't play all styles of music [/quote] Fair enough but the difference is, that you know you can't.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1137374' date='Feb 22 2011, 06:40 PM']I remember being in a local band with loads of our mates bigging us up then we got a gig in London with 3 other bands, Best start to raise our game then! We never did fully but it made us realise what sort of standard the other bands were at. We used to do gigs with another local band and years later they still think they are the best band in the world but they never left their local pub to get the much needed reality check. Im not sure I would of bothered taking it any further than your gentle let down in the first place because music is too subjective, Please dont take this the wrong way but for all we know she could be right and your band could be crap in our eyes? Its all a matter of opinion in many cases with all forms of art. Look at the top 40 chart for a citation [/quote] Fair point Pete about the "maybe we're crap and she was right all along" and I understand what you're saying but I'm afraid you'll just have to trust me on this one. Her drumming was reminiscent of Charlie Drake falling down the stairs with a tin dustbin. If you're that good, you'd at least be able to listen to what the other players are doing and lock in to at least one of them. She was totally unaware of anyone else in the room and even her dad's eyebrows were going up and down a bit Probably wondering where all his tuition money had gone. Anyway, all over now, I wished her well for the future and she'll make that, whatever she makes it.

[quote name='silddx' post='1136992' date='Feb 22 2011, 01:45 PM']I'd never proffer advice to someone who hadn't asked for it.[/quote] Point taken. As of now, I'll just let the vocalist tell them to f*** off when they're sh*te.

Well, my intention was to call the girl who auditioned yesterday (Alice) but I had also drated an e-mail to send in addition to that so she had something to refer to after the call in case anything was lost in translation due to my French language ability (not bad, but things can get difficult on the phone) I called, and then hit send as she answered as I didn't want her to get a mail without personal contact. I explained straight away that I regret she did not get the position and hope that she was not too upset. I also added that I was happy to let her know why if she wanted to know, and that my comments may help her in the future and that the point in telling her, was to help and not to criticise. I'd also thanked her for coming down to see us and said how nice it was to meet her and that we wished her well for the future. I pointed out that she may have been nervous and that that, was normal in this situation. However, she would need to prepare a little more for auditions and really learn the songs demanded of her. I suggested that her time keeping was a little off and asked if she practices with a metronome and suggested that if she didn't, it may be worth buying one as it will help get a natural feel for timing into her head. I then took a slightly different tack and told her that I had no doubt that she could play hard rock very well but needed to maybe listen to different types of music in order to become familiar with other styles if she were going to audition for bands in other genres. What I got back was this. It was the band that did not know the songs properly, not her. (it was actually our CD she'd been sent) She uses a metronome, listens to, and can play ALL styles of music. Attends drum school for 40 hours per week with their top prof. ("So, I am good") her words not mine. She feels that my comments are totally misplaced and knows that she is a good drummer. Well, I tried. Maybe I handled it badly. Looking back to Doddy's comments yesterday, I took that into consideration but even if that was the case, shouldn't the auditionee "know" that they've screwed up?

[quote name='Doddy' post='1136439' date='Feb 21 2011, 11:35 PM']The thing is,once someone is outside of the teaching room you don't know how they are going to play. You can have a student who is great and can play along with tracks really well and groove to it,but sucks in a band. Likewise you get guys who play well with their band,but choke when they walk into their lesson. When I was setting up a rock band a few years ago,I listened in on a bunch of drummers while they were having their lessons and asked a couple if they wanted to come over and play a couple of tunes.One guy sounded great when he was in his lesson,but was shocking when we played together. I later heard him with his own metal band,and he was playing really well within his niche. The girl you auditioned may have been like this...maybe she would be better within her own comfort zone. She may be a great student and can play whatever her teacher throws at her,but just choked when put in an unfamiliar situation.[/quote] Relevant points raised. Thank you. Not being a teacher of any kind, this had not occured to me beforehand other than the usual audition nerves thing. I admit that I am probably over critical of drummers generally, especially on time keeping issues but I would have thought that she would have been able to hold a basic tempo. I wasn't expecting Lenny White, but I would have thought that her tutor would have maybe given her a few tips on preparation. I guess it could simply be a case of a youngster simply being in love with the idea of being a drummer but judging by her intial e-mail, it appeared she was really passionate. She has acoustic and electronic kits so I assume she also has the support of her parents. Thanks for your input.

[quote name='lowdown' post='1136307' date='Feb 21 2011, 10:17 PM']And her Drum teacher, calls him/herself a Drum teacher? The teacher should have known she was not ready - even for Audition experience. [whatever that means] Not good for her confidence at 18. Garry[/quote] My point exactly.

I'd find it quite interesting, maybe as a seperate issue, to hear from any teachers on here about encouraging their students to audition whether it be simply for the experience or believing that they may get the gig.

[quote name='RandomProddy' post='1134956' date='Feb 21 2011, 12:31 AM'](should quickly point out that I'm not actually french...) Hey gang, was looking for ideas for bass playing and have unfortunately fallen for Gear Aquisition Syndrome! Hope you guys can give advice. Been learning bass on and off for a year or two and am now getting a group together.[/quote] Hi, I live here too and my advice is not to buy anything in France as it's 8 times the price it should be. Apart from that mon ami, welcome to basschat.