Does anyone sell a 1 x 10" speaker cab?

[eude]

[quote name='eude' post='917226' date='Aug 6 2010, 05:51 PM']Another coupe for the mix...

Epifani UL2 110 >> [url="http://www.epifani.com/products/UL2_110.php"]http://www.epifani.com/products/UL2_110.php[/url]
EA Whizzy 10 >> [url="http://www.eaamps.com/index.php?p=wizzy10&m=products"]http://www.eaamps.com/index.php?p=wizzy10&m=products[/url]

Eude[/quote]

and another...

Mojo Sonic >> [url="http://mojosonic.com/id8.html"]http://mojosonic.com/id8.html[/url]

[andyonbass]

Ever thought about building your own? a BFM Omni 10.5 can be built for a fraction of the prices mentioned above, and would probably out perform them.

[Spoombung]

[quote name='eude' post='917226' date='Aug 6 2010, 05:51 PM']Another coupe for the mix...

Epifani UL2 110 >> [url="http://www.epifani.com/products/UL2_110.php"]http://www.epifani.com/products/UL2_110.php[/url]
EA Whizzy 10 >> [url="http://www.eaamps.com/index.php?p=wizzy10&m=products"]http://www.eaamps.com/index.php?p=wizzy10&m=products[/url]

Eude[/quote]


Where can you buy Epifani gear in the UK? I was wondering how much it is...?

[Spoombung]

[quote name='andyonbass' post='917232' date='Aug 6 2010, 05:54 PM']Ever thought about building your own? a BFM Omni 10.5 can be built for a fraction of the prices mentioned above, and would probably out perform them.

[/quote]

I once built a cab when I was in my teens. Now I can barely put up a shelf.

[eude]

[quote name='Spoombung' post='917234' date='Aug 6 2010, 05:55 PM']Where can you buy Epifani gear in the UK? I was wondering how much it is...?[/quote]

Do these guys ship internationally?
[url="http://bass-guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Epifani-UL2110-250-Watt-1X10-Inch-Bass-Cabinet?sku=601041"]http://bass-guitars.musiciansfriend.com/pr...inet?sku=601041[/url]

Eude

[molan]

[quote name='Spoombung' post='917195' date='Aug 6 2010, 05:35 PM']I can see why a lot of bass guitar builders switch over to the more mundane area of cabinet making; the profit margins are [i]far[/i] bigger.[/quote]

Are the margins really bigger?

I don't see many UK builders giving up their luthier jobs to make cabs - which ones have done this?

I can think of a couple who make cabs as well as basses but they are still pretty rare?

[Spoombung]

[quote name='eude' post='917238' date='Aug 6 2010, 05:57 PM']Do these guys ship internationally?
[url="http://bass-guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Epifani-UL2110-250-Watt-1X10-Inch-Bass-Cabinet?sku=601041"]http://bass-guitars.musiciansfriend.com/pr...inet?sku=601041[/url]

Eude[/quote]

I never order anything from the US. Too expensive.

[E sharp]

[quote name='Spoombung' post='917234' date='Aug 6 2010, 05:55 PM']Where can you buy Epifani gear in the UK? I was wondering how much it is...?[/quote]
The gallery - [url="http://www.thebassgallery.com/AmpProductListingTemplate.cfm?Brand=Epifani&Cat_ID=4&type=Bass%20Cabinet"]http://www.thebassgallery.com/AmpProductLi...=Bass%20Cabinet[/url]

[Spoombung]

[quote name='molan' post='917244' date='Aug 6 2010, 06:03 PM']Are the margins really bigger?

I don't see many UK builders giving up their luthier jobs to make cabs - which ones have done this?

I can think of a couple who make cabs as well as basses but they are still pretty rare?[/quote]

Well, two examples; Mike Walsh's cab making business has eclipsed his bass making by some considerable margin. And Matte from Prometheus has started making cabs too. It's a lot less time consuming and a lot more profitable - anyone can see that - if your materials cost £100 and you can sell for £500. It's just a box.

[Beer of the Bass]

I've got an EA wizzy 10, and they're really nice little cabs, and much bigger sounding than I'd have expected, though it has limits. Unfortunately it's another expensive option. I ordered mine from the states a while back when the dollar:pound ratio was a lot more favourable than it is now.

[Spoombung]

[quote name='E sharp' post='917261' date='Aug 6 2010, 06:14 PM']The gallery - [url="http://www.thebassgallery.com/AmpProductListingTemplate.cfm?Brand=Epifani&Cat_ID=4&type=Bass%20Cabinet"]http://www.thebassgallery.com/AmpProductLi...=Bass%20Cabinet[/url][/quote]


Okay £315. Hmmm that's more reasonable...

[molan]

[quote name='Spoombung' post='917262' date='Aug 6 2010, 06:16 PM']Well, two examples; Mike Walsh's cab making business has eclipsed his bass making by some considerable margin. And Matte from Prometheus has started making cabs too. It's a lot less time consuming and a lot more profitable - anyone can see that - if your materials cost £100 and you can sell for £500. It's just a box.[/quote]

Sounds like you've hit on an excellent money-making scheme here.

I'm surprised more people aren't doing this if there's an easy £400 profit to make on every sale. . .

[Spoombung]

[quote name='molan' post='917269' date='Aug 6 2010, 06:22 PM']Sounds like you've hit on an excellent money-making scheme here.

I'm surprised more people aren't doing this if there's an easy £400 profit to make on every sale. . .[/quote]

Well, you asked for two examples and I gave you two - then I explain how the profit margin is bigger making cabs than making basses...and you don't seem to want to believe me!

[molan]

[quote name='Spoombung' post='917282' date='Aug 6 2010, 06:40 PM']Well, you asked for two examples and I gave you two - then I explain how the profit margin is bigger making cabs than making basses...and you don't seem to want to believe me! [/quote]

I guess that basically I don't - sorry about that

If it was that easy to make £400 profit for every £100 in costs then everyone really would be doing it.

In fact I have a pair of 10" PA speakers sitting unused in my shed & I just looked up to see how much they would cost if I wanted to buy more & start putting bass cabs together

They are £131 plus VAT plus delivery so probably £165 just as a start price. They are made here in the UK so it's not import duties etc that's whacking them up. Bearing in mind these aren't exactly high spec bass speakers that were designed for high powered use (mine are 125W only) either.

By the time there's costs of decent building materials, hardware, wiring, a crossover, an additional cost for a decent spec tweeter, labour, storage, distribution etc etc then I don't see how you can make a decent speaker for £100 & flog it for £500.

I've met quite a few luthiers & the odd cab builder and none of them are swimming in profit, in fact most seem to be just about ticking over & covering costs so I really struggle to see how margins could be as great as you suggest.

[Spoombung]

[quote name='molan' post='917299' date='Aug 6 2010, 06:56 PM']I've met quite a few luthiers & the odd cab builder and none of them are swimming in profit, in fact most seem to be just about ticking over & covering costs so I really struggle to see how margins could be as great as you suggest.[/quote]

Molan, take it easy.... I'm not suggesting they're 'swimming in profit' - just that making a box and putting a speaker in it is a lot easier than making a bass! And if you can charge (in the worst example) an eye-watering, mind-boggling, grossly inflated [b]£500[/b] for it (like EBS do) - even calculating all the expenses you mention above - I'm sure it's just a little [i]bit[/i] more profitable that making basses!

To concede to you -less so, perhaps, with speakers costing £200 - £300.

[pete.young]

You might find a used EA VL110 - I have one and it's a fabulous little cab. Not light, but it is fairly compact (it also has a midrange driver and a tweeter).

There's also Tecamp, [url="http://www.tecamp.de/?id=95"]http://www.tecamp.de/?id=95[/url] though this is likely to be just as pricy. There's also the Barefaced Bass Midget, which is a 12, but is smaller than most 10s and is likely to outperform them too.

And Mr. Sibs has a used Matamp 4x6 for sale which I'd really like to hear - will get down there one of these days!

Materials for just 100 quid? Some of these small high performance cabs have drivers which cost more than that, and many of them have a horn or midrange driver and a crossover - decent crossovers aren't cheap.

[Alec]

[quote name='eude' post='917200' date='Aug 6 2010, 05:36 PM']I'd give this little guy a go >> [url="http://www.mackie.com/products/srm350v2/"]http://www.mackie.com/products/srm350v2/[/url]
We use the 12" unpowered versions of these as part of our PA setup for pub gigs and they're awesome![/quote]

Not bad as PA speakers, but neither are they fantastic. Pretty poor as bass speakers, though.

Back to the general discussion, yes - you could make a reasonable speaker for not much. But it's the pro touches that add to the cost, like using great drivers (£100+ for the best 10" drivers), good tweeters & crossovers. Quality joinery is an art beyond many. And then there's the covering - it's not easy to make a speaker cab that looks good and will stand up well to heavy use. Not to mention a matching grille on the front. Some people will be delighted with their home-made cabinets, and may not be bothered if they look home-made - and a skilled minority will be super proud, as their home-made cabs will look professional. For those without the skills, there's may also be value in a well made commercial product that looks good. And then, don't forget the value of the badge itself...

All that means that a decent cab is never going to be that cheap.

Mind you, I'm still amazed at what Ibanez have managed to achieve with the Promethean...

[molan]

[quote name='Spoombung' post='917320' date='Aug 6 2010, 07:22 PM']Molan, take it easy.... I'm not suggesting they're 'swimming in profit' - just that making a box and putting a speaker in it is a lot easier than making a bass! And if you can charge (in the worst example) an eye-watering, mind-boggling, grossly inflated [b]£500[/b] for it (like EBS do) - even calculating all the expenses you mention above - I'm sure it's just a little [i]bit[/i] more profitable that making basses!

To concede to you -less so, perhaps, with speakers costing £200 - £300.[/quote]

Sorry if it sounds like I'm splitting hairs and/or trying to be argumentative - it's really not my nature

I guess I'm finding it difficult to grasp the concept that there's such a huge profit margin in speaker cab manufacture. My point is that if it was really that easy to make huge profits then lots more people would be doing it instead of making guitars.

The only luthier I know that I once asked why he didn't think about making speakers told me he couldn't make any money out of it because margins were much tighter.

He said that the core margin in guitar making was his time and not materials &, therefore, he could charge himself out at a higher rate than he could buy raw materials for.

Personally I think the cabs out there in the £500 bracket generally tend to kick the cheaper ones in the ass so i have no issue in spending this sort of money because I simply get something that's just so much better than a cheaper option.

Obviously I'm generalising here and there will be some great cheap cabs & some rubbish expensive ones but people like Bag End, EBS, Genz Benz, Bergantino etc can only charge these prices because a lot of people think they are worth it.

[bumnote]

[quote name='molan' post='917269' date='Aug 6 2010, 06:22 PM']Sounds like you've hit on an excellent money-making scheme here.

I'm surprised more people aren't doing this if there's an easy £400 profit to make on every sale. . .[/quote]


By the time you sell a cab for £500 and take of the VAT its just over £400
Speakers wont be quite as expensive as you quote because you will get OEM prices
A sheet of ply is going to cost you £50, to which you must add glue, screws, sockets, handles, corners, speakers, a unit to build them in, telephone, rent, rates.
electricity you have to market them.
Its hard work selling stuff direct because people want to see and try them. If you live in Portsmouth and the stuff is made in liverpool, how do you try them out or do you beleive word of mouth.
If you sell through a shop, the shop is going to want to make a profit.
How many will you sell a year,
Sorry, making cabs is not a short cut to making a million.

[hubrad]

[quote name='bumnote' post='917461' date='Aug 6 2010, 09:43 PM']By the time you sell a cab for £500 and take of the VAT its just over £400
Speakers wont be quite as expensive as you quote because you will get OEM prices
A sheet of ply is going to cost you £50, to which you must add glue, screws, sockets, handles, corners, speakers, a unit to build them in, telephone, rent, rates.
electricity you have to market them.
Its hard work selling stuff direct because people want to see and try them. If you live in Portsmouth and the stuff is made in liverpool, how do you try them out or do you beleive word of mouth.
If you sell through a shop, the shop is going to want to make a profit.
How many will you sell a year,
Sorry, making cabs is not a short cut to making a million.[/quote]
P'raps Alexclaber would like to comment here?
His direct marketing has these days extended to Barefaced On Tour.. well worth getting on the list, with no commitment to buy! BEWARE.. you might just fall in love!

[Dood]

In case it hasn't been mentioned already, There's Tom Bowlus's '1x8 / 1x10 shoot out. Tom is a very knowledgeable chap and editor of Bass Gear magazine. I think he has actually owned every piece of bass guitar gear in the world - judging by his gear lists!

[url="http://bowlusblog.blogspot.com/2005/12/1x101x8-shootout.html"]http://bowlusblog.blogspot.com/2005/12/1x101x8-shootout.html[/url]

[Wylie]

+1 Schroeder Mini 10+ [url="http://www.schroedercabinets.com/mini10"]http://www.schroedercabinets.com/mini10[/url]

I have a Schroeder 12 and I love it. Amazing what it can do, and yeah, the speakers are expensive. Well worth it, I think. Write to him, he'll answer right away.


That url won't work, but you can easily find Schroeder online.

Edited August 14, 2010 by tedgilley

[velvetkevorkian]

Try here: [url="http://www.schroedercabinets.com/mini10+.htm"]Schroeder Mini 10+[/url].

[Prime_BASS]

Barefaced bass?

I'm alex doesn't make that much mint.

[fuzzylogic]

[quote name='Spoombung' post='916904' date='Aug 6 2010, 12:47 PM']Looking for a fairly hi-fi pokey and portable small cab.

I've seen single 12's for sale. Anyone do a single 10"?[/quote]

somebody on Ebay is selling a Euphonic Audio 1 x 10 cab for £250