I Could Have Gone To This

[nekomatic]

7 minutes ago, Terry M. said:

I think this depends on the age-range of the individuals asked.  Similar is George Benson. How many people know the jazz guitar giant he is versus the 80s pop singing chart topper?

George Benson’s an 80s pop singing chart topper? 😮

[Rich]

48 minutes ago, Leonard Smalls said:

He's a decent drummer, to be sure... But the ones I mentioned are probably at least as good as Mr. C, probably a lot better in some cases, and completely unknown outside of serious muso circles. So they're the ones who are the most under-rated in the history of history!

 

At fear of nit-picking myself... I never said PC was the most underrated drummer, I said he was one of the most. As in, one of a group. So he can quite easily sit alongside the fellows you mention. Whether he is well-known or not is entirely irrelevant to my original point.

[Terry M.]

1 hour ago, nekomatic said:

George Benson’s an 80s pop singing chart topper? 😮

I would say he was better known as a pop singer in the 80s than a 60s/70s jazz guitarist. Chart topper was meant tongue-in-cheek but he did very well in his "second" career and made more money than ever. Actually maybe not so tongue-in-cheek,back in the 80s he had several top 10 hits in the US charts and UK charts including two number ones in the US R&B chart. So yes, 80's chart topper who sang.

Edited yesterday at 13:36 by Terry M.

[Hellzero]

Speaking of George Benson, his French alter ego Sacha Distel was considered by his pairs the most promising jazz guitarist of the mid 50's, but he made way more money with his later variety/pop tunes.

[Stub Mandrel]

2 hours ago, Leonard Smalls said:

I suspect this isn't true at all...

He's considerably better known as a drummer than some serious titans of percussion; I'll bet if you asked 100 folks to name 5 drummers he'd be in there, but the likes of Dennis Chambers, Billy Cobham, Grant Calvin Weston, Jojo Mayer, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, Jabbo Sparks, Clyde Stubblefield or Omar Hakim wouldn't get a single mention! 

 

Billy Cobham would 🙂

 

And Dave Mattocks, possibly the most in demand session drummer you've never heard of (if you're not a Fairport fan).

[snorkie635]

I reckon @Dad3353 should be in the list of unrecognised drumming genius. So there.

[Leonard Smalls]

6 minutes ago, Stub Mandrel said:

Billy Cobham would

Arguably... Though I suspect the list of top 5 best known (not best!) drummers would be:

1. Animal (Muppets)

2. John Bonham

3. Phil Collins

4. Ginger Baker

5. Keith Moon

 

8 minutes ago, Stub Mandrel said:

if you're not a Fairport fan

that goes without saying 

[Dad3353]

1 minute ago, snorkie635 said:

I reckon @Dad3353 should be in the list of unrecognised drumming genius. So there.

 

Yup, right up there at the top. 

 

...

 

 

 

(I would pronounce myself as 'Perfect', were it not for this terrible curse of modesty with which I am plagued. ...)

[snorkie635]

No Ringo?

 

never I Well.

[Terry M.]

4 minutes ago, Leonard Smalls said:

Arguably... Though I suspect the list of top 5 best known (not best!) drummers would be:

1. Animal (Muppets)

2. John Bonham

3. Phil Collins

4. Ginger Baker

5. Keith Moon

 

that goes without saying 

Animal. That made me laugh out loud 😂

[Leonard Smalls]

2 minutes ago, snorkie635 said:

No Ringo

He would be high on the list of top over-rated drummers... With Ginger Baker and Keith Moon 

[Count Bassy]

7 minutes ago, Terry M. said:

Animal. That made me laugh out loud 😂

Animal is my favourite too*, what an attitude!

 

* Apart from my son of course.

[Terry M.]

32 minutes ago, Leonard Smalls said:

He would be high on the list of top over-rated drummers... With Ginger Baker and Keith Moon 

I think Ginger was under-rated. He had incredible (to me) jazz chops.

[Dad3353]

3 hours ago, Terry M. said:

I think Ginger was under-rated. He had incredible (to me) jazz chops.

 

Indeed, but poor taste (in my view...).

 

(To be fair, I doubt that he'd appreciate my style much either. ...)

Edited yesterday at 18:34 by Dad3353

[Leonard Smalls]

15 minutes ago, Terry M. said:

I think Ginger was under-rated. He had incredible (to me) jazz chops

You'd think so!

But I went to see him once in a promising but bizarre mix with funk keys wizard of Woo, Bernie Worrell and bass-master-of-Mahavishnu, Jonas Hellborg at the Jazz Cafe...

And he appeared to be wholly out of his depth - whenever he tried his "incredible jazz chops" they sort of fell flat, they just didn't work and he just looked out of place in such exalted company. So he started getting petulant and spent ages tuning his snare between each song, as if it was to blame. So in my experience, he's revered for being merely OK. Perhaps he was better back in the day, but bear in mind Clapton is also revered despite being nowhere near as good as yer actual blues-meisters like the Alberts!

[Terry M.]

8 minutes ago, Leonard Smalls said:

You'd think so!

But I went to see him once in a promising but bizarre mix with funk keys wizard of Woo, Bernie Worrell and bass-master-of-Mahavishnu, Jonas Hellborg at the Jazz Cafe...

And he appeared to be wholly out of his depth - whenever he tried his "incredible jazz chops" they sort of fell flat, they just didn't work and he just looked out of place in such exalted company. So he started getting petulant and spent ages tuning his snare between each song, as if it was to blame. So in my experience, he's revered for being merely OK. Perhaps he was better back in the day, but bear in mind Clapton is also revered despite being nowhere near as good as yer actual blues-meisters like the Alberts!

I can accept that. I've seen jazz clips of his pre-Cream days and thought he played well in them. Just personal taste I guess.

[Beedster]

3 hours ago, Leonard Smalls said:

Arguably... Though I suspect the list of top 5 best known (not best!) drummers would be:

1. Animal (Muppets)

2. John Bonham

3. Phil Collins

4. Ginger Baker

5. Keith Moon

 

that goes without saying 

Or.....

1. That bloke out of Foo Fighters

2. That bloke out of Nirvana

3. That bloke out of Blink 182

4. That girl out of White Stripes

5. That Muppet

 

[Beedster]

2 hours ago, Leonard Smalls said:

You'd think so!

But I went to see him once in a promising but bizarre mix with funk keys wizard of Woo, Bernie Worrell and bass-master-of-Mahavishnu, Jonas Hellborg at the Jazz Cafe...

And he appeared to be wholly out of his depth - whenever he tried his "incredible jazz chops" they sort of fell flat, they just didn't work and he just looked out of place in such exalted company. So he started getting petulant and spent ages tuning his snare between each song, as if it was to blame. So in my experience, he's revered for being merely OK. Perhaps he was better back in the day, but bear in mind Clapton is also revered despite being nowhere near as good as yer actual blues-meisters like the Alberts!

 

That sounds more like a confidence issues than a competence issue? 

[Mickeyboro]

3 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said:

And Dave Mattocks, possibly the most in demand session drummer you've never heard of (if you're not a Fairport fan).

 

I once saw Dave Mattacks enter the stage, introduce himself to the other members of Lesley Duncan’s band (handing them his business card), sit down and play a flawless set. An absolute god among drummers!

[Happy Jack]

[snorkie635]

3 hours ago, Leonard Smalls said:

He would be high on the list of top over-rated drummers... With Ginger Baker and Keith Moon 

Interesting we all have different takes - I love all three of that lot.

[Grooverjr]

4 hours ago, Leonard Smalls said:

He's a decent drummer, to be sure... But the ones I mentioned are probably at least as good as Mr. C, probably a lot better in some cases, and completely unknown outside of serious muso circles. So they're the ones who are the most under-rated in the history of history!

 

 

I'm pretty sure they are all way better than Mr C. He didn't even programme the drums for The Prodigy. 

I'll get my coat

[MacDaddy]

18 minutes ago, Grooverjr said:

I'm pretty sure they are all way better than Mr C. He didn't even programme the drums for The Prodigy. 

I'll get my coat

 

And probably not for The Shamen as well 😉

[Grooverjr]

1 hour ago, MacDaddy said:

 

And probably not for The Shamen as well 😉

Luckily I have 2 coats 🫣

[Dazm66]

23 hours ago, chris_b said:

I've played Knebworth.

 

A few years ago, Knebworth House, one of the Barns, great gig.

And I played Wembley in 84…Wembley Conference Centre!