Patster1969 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 17 minutes ago, asingardenof said: Certainly a lot more interesting music than Metallica. Totally agree - I don't think I've every managed to get through 1 listen of either "Hardwired" (Anthrax's "For All Kings" was vastly superior to Hardwired) or "72 Seasons". The songs are overly long & the riffs are generic/boring. I would also agree that "Crack The Sky" was a brilliant album and they haven't bettered it but every album is way better than anything Metallica have put out in the last 15 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolo Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, ARGH said: I don't think anyone in Death, Grind or Black metal, regardless of where it came from sold a million on one release, the big 4 did. Pantera sold 3m copies of Vulgar Display of Power, you could say they were nr4 for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolo Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, ARGH said: double post sry Edited January 30 by Bolo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikNik Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 14 minutes ago, asingardenof said: Better than a story I heard about Steve Jones doing something unspeakable to a sandwich Glen Matlock was about to eat. The headcheese one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asingardenof Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 minute ago, NikNik said: The headcheese one? The special sauce one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 34 minutes ago, Bolo said: Pantera sold 3m copies of Vulgar Display of Power, you could say they were nr4 for a while. They're playing Donnington in June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Just watching this at the moment, am not a particular fan of the band but my thoughts are that for a lot of it JH is making (having to make) a big life change and for a good chunk of it LU doesn’t seem to be able to understand it and because of that appears unwilling to offer any help to his mate. Or maybe this is my impression having been in similar situations myself (me having been in the JH position). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, TimR said: They're playing Donnington in June. The beard twitchers would say in name only . No dimbag, and no vinnie . A lot of bad blood towards mr.. anselmo for sometime from the Abbott families apparently . But that's possibly for another thread 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolo Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, TimR said: They're playing Donnington in June. I'm sorry for Rex who is an absolute legend, but I can't watch Anselmo for another second. Talk about your "white power" crying racist b!tch. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE said: The beard twitchers would say in name only . No dimbag, and no vinnie . A lot of bad blood towards mr.. anselmo for sometime from the Abbott families apparently . But that's possibly for another thread 🤔 Beard twitcher here! But I'm able to do so as someone who was lucky enough to see Pantera a couple of times back in the day. There must be plenty of younger fans eager to hear that music live but for me, nah. And also, Anselmo. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 (edited) What have I started... I saw Metallica and Anthrax at Donington in 1987. The mosh was crazy. It was raining, clouds of steam were rising from the crowd and the smell of damp leather and p... filled the air. I think I may have a Panterra and a Dokken vinyl LP somewhere. Edited January 30 by TimR 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vin Venal Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 19 hours ago, TimR said: What about Motorhead and Lemmy? Wait what did Lemmy do? I only know about the collecting nazi memorabilia stuff, which I'm OK giving people a pass for, like it's definitely not advisable, but it doesn't necessarily mean they're a racist, or at least it didn't at the time. I reckon some of the people in Metallica were actually racists, and the stuff some of them have said/done would have been treated with derision in the circles I'm in then as it is now. I hope I don't have to add lemmy to the list of scumbags lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 He wore his 'Nazi Memorobillia' for a photo shoot in Germany to promote a gig. Which is illegal there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_lefty Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 39 minutes ago, TimR said: He wore his 'Nazi Memorobillia' for a photo shoot in Germany to promote a gig. Which is illegal there. That's pretty insensitive. He is on record, many times, as being very anti racist. There's a very heartwarming old American TV interview where a young boy writes in saying his dad won't let him listen to metal because it's white music, and Lemmy's response is excellent. Anyways, imagine how good Metallica would have been if Lars hadn't kicked Dave Mustaine's dog?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor J Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 29/01/2024 at 21:40, Vin Venal said: They were all also huge racists back in the day 3 hours ago, Vin Venal said: I reckon some of the people in Metallica were actually racists Racism isn't a trivial matter and accusations of racism shouldn't be so casually thrown around as it badly dilutes the importance of the message. You've gone from slandering all of them, including Filipino Kirk and Cliff, to just some of them. What did Kirk and Cliff do which lead you to accuse them of being racist, out of curiosity? Sure, Hetfield was a tool and I'd imagine him and Rose in a room together at that time was hardly a shrine to enlightenment, but do you really think a band who have been paying Mensch and Burnstein, their jewish management, 20% for almost 40 years really believe in National Socialism? Think about it for just a minute. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 The thing about Metallica in the 21st century is that they keep releasing albums that should have been EPs If the last four albums had been cut back to about 20 minutes, they'd have been fantastic. Well, so long as they didn't ruin them when mixing/mastering them 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vin Venal Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 51 minutes ago, Doctor J said: Racism isn't a trivial matter and accusations of racism shouldn't be so casually thrown around as it badly dilutes the importance of the message. You've gone from slandering all of them, including Filipino Kirk and Cliff, to just some of them. What did Kirk and Cliff do which lead you to accuse them of being racist, out of curiosity? Sure, Hetfield was a tool and I'd imagine him and Rose in a room together at that time was hardly a shrine to enlightenment, but do you really think a band who have been paying Mensch and Burnstein, their jewish management, 20% for almost 40 years really believe in National Socialism? Think about it for just a minute. Nah, I don't reckon they were literal nazis, just casual racists. Slander? Blimey. 🙃 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernaut Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 WTF is a casual racist? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 9 hours ago, TimR said: What have I started... I saw Metallica and Anthrax at Donington in 1987. The mosh was crazy. It was raining, clouds of steam were rising from the crowd and the smell of damp leather and p... filled the air. I think I may have a Panterra and a Dokken vinyl LP somewhere. I was there also. Great gig . As for pantera, I was a fan initially . It took me a while to get used to the drop tuning at the time. I saw them at the Kentish Town forum ( town and country ) . It was one of those rare gigs that wasn't really memorable .Not a bad gig as such . TBH, all I can remember was them playing Walk and Phil shouting f##ing hostile a few times . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 34 minutes ago, Supernaut said: WTF is a casual racist? Only at the weekends. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 16 minutes ago, TimR said: Only at the weekends. Or possibly a hoodie . Grey tracksuit ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 hours ago, TimR said: He wore his 'Nazi Memorobillia' for a photo shoot in Germany to promote a gig. Which is illegal there. "The ban broadly exempts art," https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/germanys-confusing-rules-on-swastikas-and-nazi-symbols/a-45063547 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveXFR Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Supernaut said: WTF is a casual racist? One level down from smart casual racism and a lot more relaxed than formal racism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Smart casual is the worst 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munurmunuh Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 29/01/2024 at 23:16, Vin Venal said: Lol its wild to me that there's still people about who think having black friends proves you're not a racist. 😅 Thank heavens the ignorant gossip of a small crowd on an internet forum does prove that you are a racist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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