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To make a more serious contribution to this thread, I think I still fall on the side that it is probably just joshing, although without the 'offended' party being present​, which is usually where the fun lies. I don't use the term here myself, but quite possibly would in front of a band, along with Basstard, Drum-arse, and Short, Sweaty Pianist. I work with a drummer who calls his own playing 'clumping', and guitarist's 'meeping', and a piano player with MS who playfully refers to himself as a 'spazz'.

I appreciate that certain terms have dogged some folks for years. As a lanky guy I've long recognised the disparity in insults you 'shouldn't' make and those which arent even considered rude. My nickname in certain circles was 'lank' for many years. People I barely knew would come up and say "God, you're so skinny! What's​ wrong with you?". Imagine pointing out someone's vast weight in that manner! It didn't especually bother me, not least because I was (and remain) tall and skinny. Also because there was no direct discrimination going on. A distinguishing feature was mentioned and ribbed, but I was no less included in the group. I'd be far more offended if I was excluded because I was underweight, than just being called a streak of piss by my mates every so often.

And that brings me to swearing as a similar issue and analogy. Some folks just won't accept swearing under any circumstances, however the rudest things said to me have been worded very politely. It's not the language used, it's what was said. I mean, which would you rather hear? "That soup was f***ing awesome" or "I do believe I could have made a better soup with a sock and Theresa May's bathwater, my dear"?

And of course there's the 'N' word- for anyone who digs rap, blaxploitation art, or Tarantino movies it's use weaves a very confusing maze of coolness, bad-assery, joshing, social and political point-making, and rarely, geniune racism. Context makes a vast difference though.

I'd like to credit the guy I heard this from, but I forget- it was a stand up comedian anyway, talking about the way guys communicate to see if you're 'alright' or not. You meet your sister's new boyfriend for the first time, shake his hand and say 'Hi, nice to meet you- shame about the shirt...' The answer you're hoping for is 'Yeah, but you let someone do that to your hair, so...'. If that occurs you are now mates, no matter how it goes with your sis. If he replies 'How dare you, this cost me £50 and I think it's lovely' you warn her off the pompous twit at the next available opportunity!

To wrap up, I often work and socialise in very equal opportunities situations. No one discriminates, they'll make fun of [i]everyone[/i]. You're included in the friendly joshing​ whether you're fat, thin, bald, ginger, blind or paraplegic. You tell me my premature greying and circular bald patch make me look like a monk on a day off, I'll tell you your wheelchair makes you look like a Dalek running a marathon, and we'll go and get that pint we talked about. It's all part of being mates, really.

Doesn't matter a damn what we call retards, spazzes, and crazies. Financial and physical support, fair employment opportunities, and inclusion in normal friendship and society are the things which make the difference, and which are also under threat in many cases. That's​ the really offensive stuff.

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[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1494503146' post='3296523']


Having a lifelong developmental/neurological condition, being referred to as "retarded", "backward" "wrong in the head" & other lovely, confidence building terms all through my life by family, teachers & people I worked with, nearly being institutionalised by my mother when I was a child because there was "something wrong with me" - Those good enough for ya? Probably not.
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I'm sorry to hear about it. However, it isn't reasonable to expect (and certainly not to demand) that the rest of the world walks round you on tiptoe because some people have been unkind to you.

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[quote name='Dan Dare' timestamp='1494517865' post='3296693']
I'm sorry to hear about it. However, it isn't reasonable to expect (and certainly not to demand) that the rest of the world walks round you on tiptoe because some people have been unkind to you.
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That's not what I expect or demand at all. All I am saying is that there are many people out there who for very genuine reasons are fully justified in being angry or offended by people using demeaning terminology. The fact that people don't seem to accept this, and also seem to be annoyed by the fact that people find it offensive or insulting, is what I find astonishing.

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Having played in a few bands with two lead guitarists - luckily none being the aforementioned "guitards" (joke wearing a bit thin imho) - I can tell you that what really winds them up is if you refer to the one who happens to be playing rhythm as playing 'spare guitar'.

That really gets 'em :)

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[quote name='lowhand_mike' timestamp='1494492302' post='3296399']
would someone who works in the cells at a police station be a custard then?
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Quite possibly.
In fact, that reminds me of that American geezer who made Strat guitars.
If he had worn woman's clothing in his spare time, would he have been classed as a Leotard ?

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[quote name='PaulGibsonBass' timestamp='1494452403' post='3296201']
I have no time for political correctness in it's extremes, but my opinion is that using this phrase isn't acceptable. Am I offended by it? Not really, but I feel that corrupting a word that descibes mental handicaps or learning difficulties to use as a 'humorous' but ultimately derogatory term is out of order, and no more acceptable than calling someone 'spazz', or some other unintentionally cruel playground jibe. I'm sure nobody means to cause offence, but all the same I'm uncomfortable with it.
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This is my take on it as well.

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[quote name='PaulGibsonBass' timestamp='1494452403' post='3296201']
I have no time for political correctness in it's extremes, but my opinion is that using this phrase isn't acceptable. Am I offended by it? Not really, but I feel that corrupting a word that descibes mental handicaps or learning difficulties to use as a 'humorous' but ultimately derogatory term is out of order, and no more acceptable than calling someone 'spazz', or some other unintentionally cruel playground jibe. I'm sure nobody means to cause offence, but all the same I'm uncomfortable with it.
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I agree with everything you say, except that I do honestly think plenty of people enjoy nothing more than deliberately causing offence.

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I think if used to refer to all guitarists then it is disrespectful at the least, although I've always thought it referred to the specific type of guitarist that has no awareness of the rest of the band.

What I find much more offensive is the ginger bashing that seems so prevelant these days. It's almost as if people have finally accepted that it is wrong to abuse people based on the colour of their skin so have moved on to the colour of their hair. Where next, the colour of their eyes?

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[quote name='keving' timestamp='1494528666' post='3296801']
I think if used to refer to all guitarists then it is disrespectful at the least, although I've always thought it referred to the specific type of guitarist that has no awareness of the rest of the band.

What I find much more offensive is the ginger bashing that seems so prevelant these days. It's almost as if people have finally accepted that it is wrong to abuse people based on the colour of their skin so have moved on to the colour of their hair. Where next, the colour of their eyes?
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It's the only thing we've got left! Chin up rusty :D

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I'm a guitarist of 15 years, now playing bass. Not at all offended by any jibes, life is too short and it's mostly in good humour, so carry on an two fingers up to anyone who gets their feelings hurt. ;)

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When I was young, there were jokes about the Polish, referred to as "Polacks", inferring that they were stupid. Years later they morphed into hair color jokes, referred to as "blonds", usually of the female persuation. Why were there no "Brit" jokes on this side of the pond? Sometimes you folks are so funny. I know in WW2 you had plenty of "Yank" jokes. "Over paid, over sexed and over here".

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We are called 'rosbifs' in France and I dare say there are other equivalents in other countries. I don't have any problem with anybody referring to me as anything, frankly.

Odd that I never thought of Polack as anything other than a similar term (to rosbif) and wasn't derogatory in any way.

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Some of us (not all, but some...) have grown up somewhat since those idyllic times, and have developed a little sensibility about the feelings of others. There remain certain vestiges of that dark, uncouth era, but, in general, humour has moved on. Maybe there's a certain staleness to hearing those 'blonde' jokes [i]et al[/i]..? One would hope so. :mellow:

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[quote name='Yank' timestamp='1494756245' post='3298290']
When I was young, there were jokes about the Polish, referred to as "Polacks", inferring that they were stupid. Years later they morphed into hair color jokes, referred to as "blonds", usually of the female persuation. [b]Why were there no "Brit" jokes on this side of the pond? [/b] Sometimes you folks are so funny. I know in WW2 you had plenty of "Yank" jokes. "Over paid, over sexed and over here".
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:lol:

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[quote name='Yank' timestamp='1494756245' post='3298290']
When I was young, there were jokes about the Polish, referred to as "Polacks", inferring that they were stupid. Years later they morphed into hair color jokes, referred to as "blonds", usually of the female persuation. Why were there no "Brit" jokes on this side of the pond? Sometimes you folks are so funny. I know in WW2 you had plenty of "Yank" jokes. "Over paid, over sexed and over here".
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Sorry about that. I'll see if we can have some sent over.

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Dad3353

"[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]in general, humour has moved on.". Have you watch much Danish comedy? Everybody is a target and it's as near the knuckle as can be.[/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Funny as hell too :D[/font][/color]

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