julesb Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Who wins this horrible pointless competition? Both drive me up the wall [i]and[/i] round the bend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottomE Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Spike their drinks (for legal and health and safety reasons obviously don't do this). Depends what you mean by out of control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 If out of control then it's irrelevant what instrument is being played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 I'll see your out of control saxophonist and raise you an out of control Harmonica player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seashell Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 I'd rather have the guitarist any day. Too much Sax gets on my nerves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerstodge Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Become an out of control bassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesb Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share Posted March 27, 2016 I think what I'm saying is that these are two that suffer most from the inability to shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) But if they are out of control and not playing for the band then either you leave or they get sacked. That's how I would see it. EDIT: Life's too short. Edited March 27, 2016 by EssentialTension Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Riva Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Definitely the "sax-a-ma-phone".. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colgraff Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 "I do like some nice sax play." "Me too, Kim, but lets wait until the record's over." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesb Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share Posted March 27, 2016 I just find the characters involved in these crimes very funny (after I've torn my hair out of course.) Give me Larry Carlton and Wayne Shorter in a Joni Mitchell environment and I'll die a happy man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Yeah, but Hawkwind kicked Nik Turner out, and still refuse to talk about him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 I've experienced an out-of-control trumpet player before, luckily he left his trumpet on the bus one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 [quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1459110188' post='3013641'] I'll see your out of control saxophonist and raise you an out of control Harmonica player [/quote] Many years sgo I saw Alanis Morisette headling the Phoenix festival. The gig was slightly ruined for me because she seemed to have an almost compulsive need to blow into a harmonica everytime there was a pause in the vocals, coupled with a seemingly very limited and similar sounding range of harmonica riffs. Mind you this was 20 odd years ago. By now she may be a much more accomplished & versatile harmonica player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 [quote name='Meddle' timestamp='1459119220' post='3013727'] I don't know where to stand with that one. Dave Brock clearly has better business sense, whereas Turner was more of an ideologue and closer to Hawkwind's squatter/free everything roots. I guess you need both, just not in the same band. Seems Turner could also be a bit of an inappropriate perv, and Brock a poor communicator, so who knows. [/quote] Dave B still says that the main problem with NT was his incessant playing over other people's solos, but I can't disagree with what you say here either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Do you just have a problem with them in general or do they exist in your band..? If the former, you can always avoid that band,,if the latter, then sort it or leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesb Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1459157103' post='3013828'] Do you just have a problem with them in general or do they exist in your band..? If the former, you can always avoid that band,,if the latter, then sort it or leave. [/quote] Just in General. I'd be out of there within 5 minutes. Sax and guitar are the main culprits for musical diarrhea in my experience. Just meant as a fun observation from a bass point of view and maybe why different characters take up different instruments. Bassists seem to be quite happy playing one or two notes in a given section whereas the above mentioned seem want to play all of the notes all of the time. That's why I love Wayne Shorter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottomE Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 [quote name='julesb' timestamp='1459175747' post='3014122'] Just in General. I'd be out of there within 5 minutes. Sax and guitar are the main culprits for musical diarrhea in my experience. Just meant as a fun observation from a bass point of view and maybe why different characters take up different instruments. Bassists seem to be quite happy playing one or two notes in a given section whereas the above mentioned seem want to play all of the notes all of the time. That's why I love Wayne Shorter. [/quote] As i've got older even great soloing is one of those things that has become less interesting to listen to. Much more into composition, groove, songs and the "group" type elements of music making. There are players of all instruments who might be guilty of overplaying. Your list is too restrictive. Must be room for "Drummers with needless fills". Grumpy now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 The sax wins as with a guitarist you can pull the power to shut them up. Only way to stop a sax is a punch in the belly to wind them, and that`s not exactly the right thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UngratefulBass Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 After a very attractive young lady jumped up on stage and started dancing around the band members, our sax player announced 'I don't think that we should encourage that sort of thing, after all people didn't come to see her. They came to watch ME!' That statement alone should tell you all you need to know about sax players and the state of their egos... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesb Posted March 30, 2016 Author Share Posted March 30, 2016 [quote name='UngratefulBass' timestamp='1459328795' post='3015409'] After a very attractive young lady jumped up on stage and started dancing around the band members, our sax player announced 'I don't think that we should encourage that sort of thing, after all people didn't come to see her. They came to watch ME!' That statement alone should tell you all you need to know about sax players and the state of their egos... [/quote] Exactly! 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) [quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1459194226' post='3014353'] Only way to stop a sax is a punch in the belly to wind them, and that`s not exactly the right thing to do. [/quote] You're right there Lozz, no need for gratuitous violence on stage. Much better wait until after the gig - then grind them into a smooth paste, pour it into the saxophone and have a steamroller drive over it. Then 'frisby' it into the sea. Edited March 30, 2016 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassjim Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 feel your pain. on two seperate occasions i had a sax player turn up on a covers gig (different player on each) and both suffered from an inability to shut up. i was depping myself on both gigs and had to wonder what muppet though these guys were a good idea. in another band with full time horn section the sax player constantly wondered off into a corner with his back to us and constantly fiddled about inbetween actual horn section parts. (he was a really nice guy though, and it only irritated me so I had to just let it go). trouble with sax players in a band is that they "have to" contribute to every thing or feel left out. hand over a tamborine and wood block or maybe give him a conga to keep him occupied till theres something worth doing. simply shoot the guitarist though. its the kindest thing you can do there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) the problem with Sax players (and Harmonica players) they don't know what to do when they're not playing, so they don't shut up, giving them some vocals to do would work (if they can sing) guitar players can be cured by only having one of them, keyboard players can be cured by chopping off the fingers of their the left hand Edited March 30, 2016 by PaulWarning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lojo Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 One member over doing it would be too much, you've got 2 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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