Event UK - for gig payment?

[redbandit599]

Hi all

Sorry if this is covered elsewhere, a quick search didn't show up any threads though.

[url="http://eventuk.co.uk/"]http://eventuk.co.uk/[/url]

I've just been offered a gig but with payment via Event UK - I can see the logic, but also we've always been cash in hand. Anyone on here getting paid this way? - I don't want to open us up to hassle for the sake of one pub.

We don't gig enough for this to be treated as income, and probably would do well to break even over a year, so HMRC are unlikely to be interested. But be good to hear what others with experience of Event UK think.

Cheers

Jason

Edited March 27, 2016 by redbandit599

[chris_b]

This is happening more and more. I think this only affecting the larger chains.

We were told it wasn't about the bands, but their brewery found out that landlords were invoicing them for gigs which had never happened, so this is trying to tighten up on cheating landlords.

So far our decision has been to not do these venues but the gig world contracting at the current rate we've decided that it would be stupid to reduce our list of gigs even further. We'll be invoicing where we have to.

[redbandit599]

Yes, I can understand the issue from the brewery perspective and needing a tighter handle on what goes out of the till. I'm tending towards trying it unless anyone has any horror stories etc.

[Paul S]

I've used it a couple of times with no problems. The registration process isn't complicated and you don't have to wait long for the money to be paid in.

[JTUK]

I think it is ALL about where the money goes... Nobody wants a cash environment and 'dark' economy.
Not the Brewery, Landlords or HMRC...

[JapanAxe]

Is there a fee, and if so who pays it?

[redbandit599]

From what I can gather so far, the fees are borne by the venue. If not, we'll be upping our (meagre !) fee appropriately.

[E sharp]

Similar to InvaPay then .

Doesn't work both ways though ..... Try ordering a round , then tell then you'll pay in 7 working days .

[gapiro]

[quote name='E sharp' timestamp='1459112544' post='3013665']
Similar to InvaPay then .

Doesn't work both ways though ..... Try ordering a round , then tell then you'll pay in 7 working days .
[/quote]
Sounds like it. Fine for me as I do self assessment but rest of the band have cancelled gigs because of hmrc fears

[NoRhino]

I contacted a venue through their website and walked away when i read the payment method. I'll happily accept a cheque and sign my name to invoices but set up an account in advance for future payment? Nope.

[Jazzneck]

Yet another middle-man getting paid money that could go to the bands or landlords instead.

Just out of interest Jason, which pub is it?

I'm not too far from you....

Edited March 28, 2016 by Jazzneck

[colgraff]

I think this is a natural extension of a cashless economy. We all like to be paid in cash, but as we are providing a commercial service, being paid cash with no questions asked isn't really defensible in the 21st century for a band or a plumber / builder, etc.

[tauzero]

I've had gigs payed through both Events UK and Invapay. The venues or agencies have covered the fees. It would be nice to be paid on the night in cash but I'm not that bothered.

[karlfer]

Love these.
I'll pay for my fuel in a couple of weeks then.

Fully understand it, but as ever, it sh*t's on the bands

[redbandit599]

[quote name='Jazzneck' timestamp='1459164483' post='3013960']
Yet another middle-man getting paid money that could go to the bands or landlords instead.

Just out of interest Jason, which pub is it?

I'm not too far from you....
[/quote]
Hi mate - it's Molloy's in Colchester.

I actually work in corporate payments - and see first hand just how much some large hospitality companies get ripped off by their staff, so I do understand their motivation to move to this sort of system. Just hadn't encountered it before as a band. I'd anticipate it getting more common. I've asked another local band and they say that they've not had any issues to date - so, I'll probably have the job of explaining it to the rest of the band now....

[Jazzneck]

May see you there Jason, and I'll buy you a pint if they invoice me for it.
Oh, by the way, just let them know that my payment terms are 60 days after the end of the month of receipt of goods delivered on time and to the quality and the quantity ordered.

Edited March 28, 2016 by Jazzneck

[barneyg42]

Would be interested to know how long the payment normally takes bearing in mind any work I do in one week from Monday to Saturday in my regular day job gets paid the following Friday as per many weekly paid workers?

[redbandit599]

The other local band I contacted say about 3 weeks - but you have to remember to submit the invoice on the day after the gig, otherwise I imagine you'll get on the next payment run.

[Jazzneck]

So, if we apply this logic to Peaches, Music Warehouse and the other music shops in Colchester I can get at least 3 weeks payment terms on strings, stands, a bass, cabs, amp, PA and all the other stuff I need to play a gig up the hill, then.
I wonder if John, Lou and the others would accept that?

[redbandit599]

Ha! I'd like to see you try

[spike]

we have one regular pub who use this method of payment and it takes 2 weeks or so before we see the money. It's a minor inconvenience but not enough to make us give up the gig.

[Jazzneck]

[quote name='redbandit599' timestamp='1459194628' post='3014363']
Ha! I'd like to see you try
[/quote]

Ed Zachary!

So why should your band be any different?

Edited March 28, 2016 by Jazzneck

[Old_Ben]

When I used to work for a large pub company using Events UK we never had any issues with bands not being paid. (Another thing you can use EventsUK for is getting info for venues that use the service for more paid gigs.)

[tauzero]

It's not unusual [1] for a provider of services to be paid later - if you happen to be in a job you've probably encountered the concept as companies tend not to pay employees daily in cash. If the money's coming from the brewery, the landlord is probably going to prefer to have them deal with you. I have had a split payment on one occasion, 50% or so in advance and the rest a week or two after the gig. With agencies, they're not likely to want to pay you before they've got the money, which doesn't seem unreasonable.

[1] A brief attack of Tom Jones there

[dave_bass5]

I work almost 20 days a month before i see any wages, i cant see the big deal with not getting paid on the night for gigs.
Lost's of function bands work this way, as do most legit employers.