Everyones An Expert.

[Thunderbird]

The correct finger technique for people that know it all like him is known as the middle finger technique promptly followed by the words f@@k off lol don't worry about it mate there is always plum who thinks they know it all if you and the punters were happy that is all that matters

[bigd1]

I think I would just say "well thanks for that, time for a drink/toilet break" and leave him to feel good about himself. Some people know it all, they have been there and done it, and that's fine. They just don't need to tell me about it.

[Mr Stinky]

Thanks for all the comments and reply suggestions.

I like the angle of 'I'm playing and he isn't'. That's a great confidence builder. Tush was one of the first songs i ever learnt and one of the few i can play without looking.
There's always going to be a fingering issue with my playing, i sustained ligament damage, to my left pinky, in a fight many many years ago and it won't stretch out sideways. My ring finger tends to cover middle and pinky.

I did try and avoid him. He was a pleasant enough guy, but i think he saw me as his best mate for the evening. Altogether now. 'Me...and... my shaaaaaadow.'

At the end of the evening, three things had occurred:- I was paid. I had a laugh. They shouted for more. I'm happy with that.

Another disappointment was that i wasn't told to turn down. I must seriously adjust my atitude.

Edited December 30, 2013 by Mr Stinky

[steve-bbb]

[quote name='Mr Stinky' timestamp='1388421644' post='2321799']
Another disappointment was that i wasn't told to turn down. I must seriously adjust my atitude.
[/quote]

ah there now you see if you had tasked your new friend to go stand further back in the venue and give you some finger signalling he could have checked your sound level/balance for you because you cant hear the full developed sound and volume of your cab when you're stood right next to it

[TimR]

You get them occasionally. Usually they'll say something like "The bass line in X doesn't go like that."

To which you reply.

"Well it did tonight."

There are some oddballs around. The problem is you don't know who he is or who his friends are. They might all be musos who frequent that pub and have the landlords ear and if you're friendly you'll get asked back.

Smile politely and say thanks then make your excuses and polish your fretboard or something equally distracting...

[Johnm93]

Or ask him to show you [i]how[/i] to polish it...

[Initiation Hunchback]

[quote name='sarah thomas' timestamp='1388404126' post='2321522']
Like going to the toilet.
[/quote]
Maybe athk if he hath any advithe about correct technique for that, too.

[Muzz]

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1388404525' post='2321530']
Lets face it. You're the one up on stage playing and he's the guy without a gig on a Saturday night. I wonder why?
[/quote]

This. This is the bottom line - if I ever get any of that sort of attention (which is very very rare), I smile, nod and go and do something else. Anything else.

[leschirons]

Next time he's at your gig, ask him to keep an eye on the guitarists technique and the vocalists pitching too as they've been looking for some advice on those issues

[Lozz196]

If the notes are the right notes, what does it matter. Django Reinhardt was missing a couple of fingers, and Tony Iommi has the ends missing on a couple of his. Does this mean they shouldn`t be playing? Nah, twonks like the chap concerned, leave `em to their technically perfect misery.

[TimR]

tbh the song has been covered by many bands.

Next time tell him you were playing the Iron Maiden version from the bootleg recording of a Siberian gig in '85.

[ern500evo]

He was probably a BC'er! :-)

[Sean]

I love it when there's "an old character" or know-it-all at a gig. We were playing Pen-y-Graig Labour Club one night and after the first set ended with Walking on Sunshine, this geezer came up to me and told me I was the best lead guitarist he'd ever seen, "and I've seen 'em all", he said. He also complemented me on my beautiful "lead guitar", which was a Spector NS5 and told me I didn't need "one of those whammy bar thingys" to sound good.

The advice about just being polite and dashing off to busy yourself is solid. You just don't know who they or their friends are.

[BigRedX]

[quote name='ern500evo' timestamp='1388428508' post='2321893']
He was probably a BC'er! :-)
[/quote]

But as icastle said, not any more!

[CPBass]

[quote name='Hobbayne' timestamp='1388403636' post='2321506']
Sounds like he,s a bit jealous of you!
[/quote]

As simple as that.

[TimR]

[quote name='Buzzardist' timestamp='1388433161' post='2321970']


As simple as that.
[/quote]

I don't think so. There are some people with strange personality disorders, if I'm allowed to call them that.

One guy latched onto me during a break and asked how I was going to fill the room with just my 'little' Trace Elliot 15" cab. Then he spent most of the break asking me how to get Cubase working on his PC. How random is that? I couldn't get rid of him. Luckily by the end of the gig he had disappeared. Probably when found out my Trace rig was big enough after all.

Edited December 30, 2013 by TimR

[risingson]

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1388433556' post='2321977']
One guy latched onto me during a break and asked how I was going to fill the room with just my 'little' Trace Elliot 15" cab. Then he spent most of the break asking me how to get Cubase working on his PC. How random is that? I couldn't get rid of him. Luckily by the end of the gig he had disappeared. Probably when found out my Trace rig was big enough after all.
[/quote]

People love to talk. If they're not on stage then they'll overcompensate by trying to impress you in other ways and I've always found it far too painful to deal with!

[jezzaboy]

Hey Stinky, don`t fret about it. Years ago I had a compound fracture and dislocation on my left pinky and thanks to the wonders of modern medicine, it is now almost completely useless. I don`t use it for fretting the neck at all and have always managed to get by.

I think most of us have had these herberts and most of them seem to be bedroom players or people who aren`t in a band as they are useless or lack the social skills required to be in a band [size=4] [/size]
[size=4]They are jealous as you are the one playing the gig and not them.[/size]

[Roger2611]

[i]Whenever anyone asks me anything at a gig, I just point them towards our guitarist and say "he'll answer any of your questions" another tactic is to wear a t-shirt onstage with "I like you, I will kill you last" emblazoned across the front, that also keeps the armchair critics at bay[/i]

[Green Alsatian]

Tell him about YouTube - he'll never need to leave the house again.

[paulconnolly]

[quote name='mikebass84' timestamp='1388417520' post='2321745']
Did you play the songs correctly?
If you did then it's doesn't matter if you fret with your face! Playing the songs correct is more important than technique
[/quote] This in spades. At least I hope so when I'm playing Tush .

[Jonnyboy Rotten]

There is that amazing blues jazz guitarist who played with only two fingers due to a burn injury to his hand. He would support the use of whatever fingers you damn well please. Sure he may have good advice so dont ignore him for the sake of pride but there are more tactful ways he could have spoken to you! Like not doing it when you are doing a mate a favour!

[Mr Stinky]

[quote name='jezzaboy' timestamp='1388435147' post='2322021']
Hey Stinky, don`t fret about it. Years ago I had a compound fracture and dislocation on my left pinky and thanks to the wonders of modern medicine, it is now almost completely useless. I don`t use it for fretting the neck at all and have always managed to get by.

I think most of us have had these herberts and most of them seem to be bedroom players or people who aren`t in a band as they are useless or lack the social skills required to be in a band [size=4] [/size]
[size=4]They are jealous as you are the one playing the gig and not them.[/size]
[/quote]

Thanks for that. I guess there's a lot of really great bedroom players that can't or won't play in a band. At least I can keep time with the kick drum, perhaps my new friend can't.

[Mr Stinky]

[quote name='Roger2611' timestamp='1388435150' post='2322022']
[i]Whenever anyone asks me anything at a gig, I just point them towards our guitarist and say "he'll answer any of your questions" another tactic is to wear a t-shirt onstage with "I like you, I will kill you last" emblazoned across the front, that also keeps the armchair critics at bay[/i]
[/quote]

I think I'm off to the T-shirt shop at the weekend! So funny!

[MiltyG565]

[quote name='Mr Stinky' timestamp='1388403482' post='2321504']
I'm speaking as a relative newbie to playing live here.

A friends band recently lost their bass player for a couple of weeks due to illness. To cover existing gigs, me and another guy are stepping in to help out as we know most of the set between us.

We played on Saturday night and it went quite well as we'd never played together before. However, after one of my spots, this 'expert' player decided to give me a lecture about economy of motion and correct fingering, citing the E string run-up in Tush. This wasn't a couple of comments, this was a university thesis standard verbal essay. He went on and on almost pushing me to a 'swift and to the point verbal retort'.

Is it really that important to use the correct fingering? My left pinky isn't that useful anyway due to a mis-spent youth, and how would you deal with this sort of character?
[/quote]

If it was that a big a deal, why wasn't he playing the gig instead of you? Some people put a lot of focus on technique, and others don't, but that's all below the real issue - did it sound good? If it did, and you aren't in any physical pain from playing, then your technique is probably fine.

Hope you enjoyed your gig, and that it's the first of many