CHRISDABASS Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1972-Vintage-Fender-Jazz-Bass-Natural-Body-Maple-Neck_W0QQitemZ260251761685QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4713QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1972-Vintage-Fender-...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url] no f**kin way!!! everything about it is wrong!! the pickup positions, the block inlays, the general shape..............shall i go on??? any thoughts guys?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohan Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 The grain of the wood struck me first... looks so cheap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hit&Run Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 What a turd! 7 bids already!!! There's one born every minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRISDABASS Posted June 16, 2008 Author Share Posted June 16, 2008 [quote name='Hit&Run' post='220230' date='Jun 16 2008, 09:35 PM']What a turd! 7 bids already!!! There's one born every minute.[/quote] ive reported it to ebay! ive no idea if they will do anything?? but i hope they do before some poor bugger gets ripped off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnylager Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Gorgeous. NOT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 I know 70's Fender Jazz basses had the pick up closer to the bridge but that's taking the wiss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJA Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 the body looks like it's come off some Columbus Japcrap, with the rounded pickups. the end contour is almost like a precision. is that a real fender neck though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Duly reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 The seller doesn't seems dodgy - is he just selling what he believes it is? Think I'll PM him on ebay. Hamster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 [quote name='SJA' post='220254' date='Jun 16 2008, 10:12 PM']is that a real fender neck though?[/quote] Nope - no plug above the nut, wrong nut and the 'contour body' logo is missing. And no skunk stripe either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassmanady Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Not sure but should it have the 3 screw neckplate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 No, 3 screw neck joints came in mid '74 And is it me, but is the A tuner lower than the others? lol Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 [quote name='Sibob' post='220365' date='Jun 17 2008, 09:05 AM']And is it me, but is the A tuner lower than the others? lol Si[/quote] He actually points this out in the description. He's possibly not deliberately trying to pull a fast one (ie. he genuinely believes that he has a real Fender), but I could see him getting right defensive if this is pointed out, so I thought it best to report it to eBay. Basically I hope no more people get ripped off here (perhaps the seller did when he bought it originally?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassaussie Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 As said above, this is definitely not a Fender - it's early 70s Japanese, made in the same factory as Cimar. The pickup shape is what makes the source obvious, because of the rounded corners, and the tuning pegs are from the source as well (both pointed out by SJA above). There's other obvious signs - the headstock shap isn' quite the same as a Fender, nor the body shape. As regards the seller, the thing that I'm interested in is this. He currently has around 10 auctions, all with "User ID Kept Private". I'm always a bit suspect when a uses that option. So I checked his feedback, and particularly his most recent auctions, and it seems he's not used that option previously, it's just something he's gone for with this particular group of auctions. Obviously I have no idea why he's decided to suddenly use the Private Listing option, but it does seem convenient in relation to this bass. However, if I had to point to some damning evidence, I'd say this might be it. It's the last purchase he's made, 11 June 2008. [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250249467610"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...em=250249467610[/url] His bass auction was posted 15 June. I don't now if he could've received the neck plate in time for those photos, but it all looks very questionable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOD2 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 [quote name='bassaussie' post='220387' date='Jun 17 2008, 09:48 AM']However, if I had to point to some damning evidence, I'd say this might be it. It's the last purchase he's made, 11 June 2008. [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250249467610"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...em=250249467610[/url] His bass auction was posted 15 June. I don't now if he could've received the neck plate in time for those photos, but it all looks very questionable.[/quote] Now is it just me or does that photo of the bass from the rear look as though it's been "touched up" ? The neckplate seems to jump out of the photo somehow, as if it's not ion the same light as the rest of the photo, and it looks slightly offset to the left ? (Now...where are these photos of the Apollo moon landings ....) Suspicious, moi ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosebass Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 [quote name='bassaussie' post='220387' date='Jun 17 2008, 09:48 AM']As said above, this is definitely not a Fender - it's early 70s Japanese, made in the same factory as Cimar. The pickup shape is what makes the source obvious, because of the rounded corners, and the tuning pegs are from the source as well (both pointed out by SJA above). There's other obvious signs - the headstock shap isn' quite the same as a Fender, nor the body shape..[/quote] You are bob on there as soon as I saw it Cimar came straight out of my mouth which makes it worth what £80.00 ? I had one many moons ago. Lets hope the bidders see sense and remove their bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJA Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 [quote name='bassaussie' post='220387' date='Jun 17 2008, 09:48 AM']However, if I had to point to some damning evidence, I'd say this might be it. It's the last purchase he's made, 11 June 2008. [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250249467610"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...em=250249467610[/url] His bass auction was posted 15 June. I don't now if he could've received the neck plate in time for those photos, but it all looks very questionable.[/quote] neckplate off a 1972 Fender- serial no. 339148 and he claims the jazz is from 1972 "The Serial number starts 339XXX". too much of a coincidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdphysio Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 i've sent him a question about its history, so we'll see if he replies & puts it on the listing: :ph34r: mentioned bridge pup postition/shape, & neckplate. (given him some rope, so lets see if he's willing to hang!!) :brow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJA Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 [quote name='Musky' post='220281' date='Jun 16 2008, 10:53 PM']Nope - no plug above the nut, wrong nut and the 'contour body' logo is missing. And no skunk stripe either.[/quote] damn, only just spotted the nut is a Gibson style one- ie. butts against the end of the fingerboard, whereas on a Fender it should sit in a slot in the fingerboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 i emailed him, linkin him to this thread, i kinda hope he is a con artist, coz if not he might have been conned himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubs Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 [quote name='bassaussie' post='220387' date='Jun 17 2008, 09:48 AM']However, if I had to point to some damning evidence, I'd say this might be it. It's the last purchase he's made, 11 June 2008. [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250249467610"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...em=250249467610[/url] His bass auction was posted 15 June. I don't now if he could've received the neck plate in time for those photos, but it all looks very questionable.[/quote] this is almost comical, and the only reason it's not is that he's trying to scam some poor sod. I've no idea when it comes to Fenders so I didn't spot any of the things that have been mentioned - the only thing that jumped out at me was the bridge pickup position, oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 [quote name='bassaussie' post='220387' date='Jun 17 2008, 09:48 AM']However, if I had to point to some damning evidence, I'd say this might be it. It's the last purchase he's made, 11 June 2008. [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250249467610"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...em=250249467610[/url] His bass auction was posted 15 June. I don't now if he could've received the neck plate in time for those photos, but it all looks very questionable.[/quote] Actually the auction ended 25-May-08 18:40:30 BST so it's entirely possible.... and likely. LOL It's strange to think the plate is worth more than the guitar it's nailed to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorks5stringer Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 I love threads like this and it really does show the value of Basschat (and other similar) forums! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 [quote name='BOD2' post='220393' date='Jun 17 2008, 09:57 AM']Now is it just me or does that photo of the bass from the rear look as though it's been "touched up" ? The neckplate seems to jump out of the photo somehow, as if it's not ion the same light as the rest of the photo, and it looks slightly offset to the left ? (Now...where are these photos of the Apollo moon landings ....) Suspicious, moi ?[/quote] I think the pic is genuine enough but when you zoom in, it does look like it's been put on a bit squint. After enhancing the plate area I'm fairly sure (not conclusive) that I see a 4 and an 8 on it for the last digits of the serial# which ties in rather nicely with the one he bought earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassassin Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 (edited) That's a nice enough Japanese Jazz copy, circa 1970s. However as a point of detail I'd challenge anyone on the planet to accurately name the factory it came from - there were dozens, all producing broadly identical instruments, and the only identifying details on this are common to many of them. If he hadn't bought a dodgy neckplate & bolted it on, I'd be prepared to assume it was a genuine mistake - but it's not, so he's clearly a scamming pikey. Fortunately, the sort of people who are likely to be in the market for a 70s Fender will spot this a mile off, with their eyes shut. Sent him a note, anyway: [quote]I doubt very much that I'm the first person to point this out - but your bass is absolutely not a vintage Fender. It's a 1970s Japanese Jazz copy - impossible to tell what brand it was, but it has many identifying features unique to Japanese 70s copy manufacture - the round-end pickups & Gibson-type nut never, EVER appeared on a Fender. The bridge pickup spacing is too tight and Fenders from this era should have a 3-bolt neckplate. Yours, however, would have originally had a neckplate stamped 'Made In Japan' - which has been replaced with a Fender item - which is curiously similar to one in your recent purchase history. I can only suggest that you amend your listing to reflect what this bass actually is - because otherwise it looks a lot like you are attempting to pass off a counterfeit. Finally, I hope you didn't pay too much for this yourself, these are generally good-quality & collectable instruments, but realistically probably only worth about £175.[/quote] Jon. Edited June 17, 2008 by Bassassin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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