gafbass02 Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 (edited) At a recent gig I did with my 'guitar' band the new bassist explained he was having trouble hearing me, and could he have a guitar cab on my side of the 'stage' ( pub corner) (vocals only to pa) I explained that I understood it was a bad idea for blah blah technical reasons. Him and the drummer stared blankly. So come the gig I thought 'to hell with it' And stacked my 1x12 guitar combo on a 2x10 bass cab behind me, and my 1x12 guitar extension cab on a 2x10 cab behind him. It gets Worse. .. I Hooked up with obbm 5m instrument cables. Not speaker cables. Sounded great!?! So great even the audience noticed, loads of comments on it. The whole thing sounded 'bigger' Line up is guitar/vox bass/bv's and drums/bv's. One of those things I guess. Edited August 4, 2012 by gafbass02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Stu Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Something the fledgling "Slade" started doing in 1966 on the advice of their long serving roadie "Swinn". With the same effect on their punters. Kinda like a huge stereo - almost! They carried on doing it throughout their live careers even when they had a wall of Hiwatts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPJ Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Wall of sound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhysP Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 [quote name='gafbass02' timestamp='1344104185' post='1759910'] At a recent gig I did with my 'guitar' band the new bassist explained he was having trouble hearing me, and could he have a guitar cab on my side of the 'stage' ( pub corner) (vocals only to pa) I explained that I understood it was a bad idea for blah blah technical reasons. Him and the drummer stared blankly. So come the gig I thought 'to hell with it' And stacked my 1x12 guitar combo on a 2x10 bass cab behind me, and my 1x12 guitar extension cab on a 2x10 cab behind him. It gets Worse. .. I Hooked up with obbm 5m instrument cables. Not speaker cables. Sounded great!?! So great even the audience noticed, loads of comments on it. The whole thing sounded 'bigger' Line up is guitar/vox bass/bv's and drums/bv's. One of those things I guess. [/quote] I'm sure somebody will be along in a moment with a graph & some big words to let you know exactly why you shouldn't have done it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Splitting cab doesn't matter for guitar because its the low end that gives the problems, and they don't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 [quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1344106884' post='1759969'] I'm sure somebody will be along in a moment with a graph & some big words to let you know exactly why you shouldn't have done it. [/quote] No doubts about that. But it sounds ideal to me. The same sound coming from either side of the stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gafbass02 Posted August 4, 2012 Author Share Posted August 4, 2012 (edited) I know! Funny old world eh. I'll do it a few more gigs, just to see. We split both bass and guitar. In theory should be a horrendous mess. Maybe it's cause I leave space in the guitar lines. (being a bassist 'n all!) Edited August 4, 2012 by gafbass02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhysP Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 [quote name='gafbass02' timestamp='1344107473' post='1759981'] Maybe it's cause I leave space in the guitar lines. (being a bassist 'n all!) [/quote] It definitely sounds more of a taste issue than a technical one to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 [quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1344106884' post='1759969'] I'm sure somebody will be along in a moment with a graph & some big words to let you know exactly why you shouldn't have done it. [/quote] OK, you asked for it. Now, pay attention . . . . [attachment=114922:lecture1.jpg] . . . . er, hang on, you said that the audience actually liked the sound? Pass me the board rubber . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gafbass02 Posted August 4, 2012 Author Share Posted August 4, 2012 Hah hah 'like' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_5 Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Bad thing? People liked it? Good thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 [quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1344107438' post='1759979'] No doubts about that. But it sounds ideal to me. The same sound coming from either side of the stage. [/quote]Above 100Hz or so that's perfectly OK, be it on stage or with the PA. Below 100Hz not so much, as explained here: http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/in_search_of_the_power_alley/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gafbass02 Posted August 4, 2012 Author Share Posted August 4, 2012 Except in the Cotswold pub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 [quote name='gafbass02' timestamp='1344104185' post='1759910']...It gets Worse. .. I Hooked up with obbm 5m instrument cables. Not speaker cables...[/quote] [attachment=114924:You_Did_A_Bad_Thin.jpg] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 [quote]....We did a bad thing and people liked it....[/quote] Keep doing it until they don't like it. Then do something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gafbass02 Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 Sounds like a sound plan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlungerModerno Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Instrument cables will handle low loads... but don't use them to hook up a 4 kW PA.... As for the stereo, it'd be like mixing cabs, or any other real world acoustic situation.... who knows if it will work well in a particular space? I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I think the speaker/instrument cable is more of an issue the opposite way around. I tried using a speaker cable on my bass & it buzzed like a fridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 [quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1344108581' post='1760000'] OK, you asked for it. Now, pay attention . . . . [attachment=114922:lecture1.jpg] . . . . er, hang on, you said that the audience actually liked the sound? Pass me the board rubber . . . . [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brensabre79 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I don't see anything wrong with this. In fact with only one guitar its probably a good thing. I think the issue would be if you had two guitars each with speakers both sides it would be a mush because they are playing in the same range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlungerModerno Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 [quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1344236696' post='1761458'] I think the speaker/instrument cable is more of an issue the opposite way around. I tried using a speaker cable on my bass & it buzzed like a fridge. [/quote] Yes, the lack of shielding is an issue... but connecting a high powered amp to a cab with a cable rated much lower than the voltage and especially current running through it... hot cables are bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 [quote name='PlungerModerno' timestamp='1344261822' post='1761853'] Yes, the lack of shielding is an issue... but connecting a high powered amp to a cab with a cable rated much lower than the voltage and especially current running through it... hot cables are bad. [/quote] Especially when you're trying to roll em up after the gig! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gafbass02 Posted August 6, 2012 Author Share Posted August 6, 2012 I must admit that part I intend to fix asap. I've a cable shopping list for obbm as soon as I get some cash in and 5m speaker cables are on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlungerModerno Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 [quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1344262230' post='1761865'] Especially when you're trying to roll em up after the gig! [/quote] Yup - but the main concern is starting a fire... not guaranteed to happen but a real risk when overloading components. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 [quote name='PlungerModerno' timestamp='1344269065' post='1762011'] Yup - but the main concern is starting a fire... not guaranteed to happen but a real risk when overloading components. [/quote] Indeed... [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3H6A5t_Bu8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3H6A5t_Bu8[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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