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[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1361473492' post='1986347'] It is - honest, would I lie to you? It's all they can do within the vision of what the music world will become. [/quote] I really like that, "what... will become" - suggests they were almost hostages to fate. I think they were - either wilfully, or through ignorance, they lost the initiative. Security was cack-handed and too late. Great comments lads.

[quote name='icastle' timestamp='1361471932' post='1986312'] I'm not sure if it was 'ignore' or if it was a complete lack of understanding of where technology was going to impact their business model. Whichever one it was, they all followed suit and are now all in the same boat. I seem to remember Sony implementing a security package (MediaMax) on some of their CDs about 5 years ago and getting hauled into court for it. It cost them a packet to implement it in the first place and a further packet to buy themselves out of the resultant mess. [/quote] Longbox, anyone? I take the point on "ignore" - but that's willful. The flip side of the coin is that they blundered into it. Not sure which is better or worse.

bigjohn you're a total don! Coming back to Stu's point about hanging in for security measures - perhaps, yeah. I'm not totally convinced, but it's perhaps part of it. Thinking it through, did we see any significant investment in security before the genie of piracy was out of the bottle? It felt to me like they simply tried to ignore the channel The very public response was, of course, to threaten or take legal action against anyone who challenged their own supremacy. Which fanned as many fires as it fought.

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1361469148' post='1986228'] As I understand it, Mr Freekish's eventual 'apology' went something on the lines of 'Sure, I scammed you because you're all pretentious idiots and I laughed every time you fell for it.' [/quote] Hmm... I think I may once have worked with a relation of his.

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1361460036' post='1986016'] Not as much scope for profit. [/quote] Absolutely, Stu - and, certainly, less [i]control[/i] of what we would call the value-stream. In terms of 'tangible benefit', I don't think it could have been clearer - how many examples have we had? Kodak? Jessops? Game? HMV? All running to the wall, for the wont of a new business model. We're still on the why, though. We could see it. So, with our record company example, even with the change to digital media apparent - why didn't they change? Not as much scope for profit? Yeah, very likely. But, if the market is changing you still need to adapt to it or fail - I mean, if you were making a 10% margin and had to drop to 5%, it's still better than 0% and the abyss. And this is where I think the why could be telling - why didn't they adapt? Did they think, in hypotheses, that they could exercise a level of control on the market, to the extent that they could control production and thus stave off the need for change?

[quote name='solo4652' timestamp='1361467157' post='1986181'] Well, I feel that he's being unhelpful and unwelcoming almost to the point of rudeness. [/quote] Absolutely. If that's how he responds now, when you're not even in the band...

Cheers Stu, good eyes.

Bloody hell, I went to do one quick edit - and then spied half the thread had mentioned the name! Apologies chaps. Dragan, if you have any concerns just drop me a reply to my PM. I'm happy to mediate if wanted

Dragan, I can empathise with your situation. I would likely feel very aggrieved. However, on the basis that these threads tend to go a bit wobbly, I'm pulling all mention of the other individual. If they want to share their side of the story, they're more than welcome. We have a feedback section for completed deals, and I know this one didn't complete, but if they want to tell us why - fine! I'm just sharing some of Warwickhunt's concern at the moment.

Well, in short - you're in a band already. Not wishing to cause offence, but your reply might have felt a little like window shopping if the chap was expecting commitment. What do you feel?

A really good example, and perhaps not too far from our example here in some of it's dimensions - that, when we follow the "whys", Kodak most likely felt their prestige and bulk were some shield against sudden market developments; that they exercised some control in the market; that people would continue with old patterns of behaviour - and people didn't, the market didn't. Not too dissimilar from our record companies in many respects, I would suggest. "Why" can be very powerful. Each time you hit a reason or an issue, just ask "why" - repeat five times and you shouldn't be far off a decent root cause.

I'd always viewed illegal file sharing as a market response, enabled by technology - another vector, if you will, for development. With the advent of the technology required to support the file-sharing, dispersed distribution model, people voted with their feet against the current market and it's monopolies, as people have often done when things don't work for them. Some debate about what drove it, the technology or the failure of the existing market for music - if record companies had been more savvy, more progressive, would we have seen the same outcomes? Or was this always going to be the case, once the technology enabled it? That had allowed me to bypass some of the moral debate, around is it theft, etc - which can be a distraction when looking for a root cause, and certainly (as this thread shows) adds an emotive element which is not always welcome. It's been a huge mental barrier for some of the major players in this issue, and has stopped many of them from realistically addressing the issue. I'm not always a fan of "what" as a probing question. Try "why" to help cut through - why has illegal downloading taken off? Why has the record industry been slow to change from physical distribution? It's a good RCA technique, and dead simple - just ask five whys

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1361376615' post='1984984'] I rarely do any soloing, busking or ad-libbing. I rehearse my lines to the point where I can play them without thinking about them at all - thus leaving more time for gurning, posturing and ogling. [/quote] Seconded. Plus it's easier to manage after a beer.

[quote name='thodrik' timestamp='1361228961' post='1983322'] Conceptually: I prefer Def Leppard. Musically: I prefer silence [/quote] /thread.

I used to play rugby at uni, and would be taking regular breaks with broken fingers. I can empathises with the taping up. Those old ice lolly sticks make great DIY splints! Initially, the biggest time off with injury was early in 2003 - I punched a knuckle off my right hand, and breaking a bone. That never quite came good, and I had a couple of months off. Then at the end of 2003, I had a bad car crash - which broke my right arm in 3 places. I had some nerve damage from that, and that gave me six years off I started playing regularly again not long before joining here. Haven't broken much since, thankfully, but the nerves aren't right - and I now have carpal tunnel, which gives me the odd issue. I tend to play with strapping on now. I would agree, injuries are a sod!

[quote name='OldG' timestamp='1360741112' post='1975559'] Active posts include off topic posts - and the count you see below your avatar doesn't. Is that what you meant? [/quote] There you go!

[quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1360676381' post='1974356'] More details needed! [/quote] It was, if you will believe it, an air hockey injury.