Bergantino advice

[CHRISDABASS]

Hey

im gonna be going for a berg cab in the next few weeks and wondered what you guys thought of my options?

Ive usually always been a 4x10 kinda guy but since seeing the AE212 on bass direct's site its made me re think slightly! the 2x10 cab i have is capable of covering most of what i do so if i replaced it with a 2x12 surely it will be even better?? While still being smaller and lighter than a 4x10.....


Here's a link to the AE range

[url="http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_specialists/Bergantino,_Passive_AE_bass_speakers.html"]http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_sp...s_speakers.html[/url]

I will be keeping my hartke as a back up regardless

do you think i'll miss the punch of 10's ? Or will 12's open up a whole new sound for me?

Any thoughts or opinions are welcome

cheers

[wateroftyne]

Meh.. I have a problem with Berg cabs.

I want [b]all [/b]of them.

[CHRISDABASS]

Haha i know that feeling!!

[Musicman20]

2x12. If you dont need REALLY HIGH volumes, which no doubt the 2x12 can do anyway, id go with the 2x12.

The AE410 has huge amounts of volume capabilities.

I had never used 12s until May last year, and now I really like the tone.

[harvey1-8]

I went from a 410 to a 212. I'm back with a 410 now and much happier. Try 12s in the shop, see how you get on.

[chris_b]

If I already used a DB210 my first choice would be to add another DB210. Surely that would tick all the boxes? I know there's a “buzz” around Bergantino but Aguilar DB’s are just as good.

[sk8]

the 10's are punchier than the 12's IMHO

[Musicman20]

[quote name='alexharvay' post='867955' date='Jun 15 2010, 12:45 PM']I went from a 410 to a 212. I'm back with a 410 now and much happier. Try 12s in the shop, see how you get on.[/quote]

Good post, its down to personal preference on this one. 12s do have a more low mid focus to me, and I like that. Chewy is the description I use!

[quote name='chris_b' post='867961' date='Jun 15 2010, 12:52 PM']If I already used a DB210 my first choice would be to add another DB210. Surely that would tick all the boxes? I know there's a “buzz” around Bergantino but Aguilar DB’s are just as good.[/quote]

Again, Chris could be hitting it on the head here. Bergantino are fantastic, but then again you already have a fantastic cabinet. Its all down to your ears. If you must go Berg, then Id listen to them first then decide which you prefer.

[JTUK]

hmmm... don't know. I prefer 10's in general but my 2 single 12's are so much more pleasing to hear on stage than my 2x10 + 1x15 was.
I really rated the Goli ll 4x10 though but that was ceramic and rear ported and very heavy.

I am tempted to go back to a 2x2x10 option...but to compliment what I have, not replace it.
I think Aguilar are making very nice cabs and at this level I think it is down to what you like to hear...then carry-factor etc..

[CHRISDABASS]

Thanks for all the replies so far

I think more than anything im looking for a one cab fits all solution! Something i can carry in one trip to the car/venue that would cover any gig i may be lucky enough to play! at the moment these gigs are in all small to mid sized venues that usually have decent PA etc

i once had a DB 410 which weight a rather hernia inducing 98lbs/44kg......ouch

maybe i should be considering aguilar's DB212 as well as this is only 10lbs heavier than my DB210


Dam this cab GAS!!

[slobluesine]

currently using a couple of AE112's

doggies doo dahs, great with Upright and Electric, luv em

who says rear ported Bass cabs are crap then

[gillento]

[quote name='CHRISDABASS' post='868231' date='Jun 15 2010, 07:02 PM']Thanks for all the replies so far

I think more than anything im looking for a one cab fits all solution! Something i can carry in one trip to the car/venue that would cover any gig i may be lucky enough to play! at the moment these gigs are in all small to mid sized venues that usually have decent PA etc

i once had a DB 410 which weight a rather hernia inducing 98lbs/44kg......ouch

maybe i should be considering aguilar's DB212 as well as this is only 10lbs heavier than my DB210


Dam this cab GAS!![/quote]

AFAIK, the db212 is a hell of a cab!
I am with Musicman20 on this: since I have played 12" cabs, I don't want to use 10" anymore.

[Musicman20]

[quote name='gillento' post='868264' date='Jun 15 2010, 06:42 PM']AFAIK, the db212 is a hell of a cab!
I am with Musicman20 on this: since I have played 12" cabs, I don't want to use 10" anymore.[/quote]

+1, the DB212 is one nice 'one cab' solution if you go for the 4 ohms. Apparently its a touch bigger and louder than two x DB112.

[JTUK]

2xDB2x10 in black would be a great choice, IMV, since you already have one DB cab

The covering of the DB's seem way better than the AE finish for durability.

It may well come down to things like ceramic verses NEO and 12" v 10", front ported or rear

I think the Aguilars are better value for money looking at the second hand market, Bergs aren't easy to shift, IMO.

[51m0n]

According to some Talkbass posts from people who have tried the preproduction versions the ae212 sounds MASSIVE and is hugely loud too.

I would try both and see which ticks your tone box hardest.

Be prepared for a long old mull!

Dont think anyone can comment on whether or not a DB212 will be better or worse until they've compared the 2. The DB series are supposed to be ace cabs, but the Bergs are still the ones that get the "creme de la creme" tag and associated GAS from me

[chris_b]

[quote name='51m0n' post='869029' date='Jun 16 2010, 01:58 PM']....According to some Talkbass posts from people who have tried the preproduction versions the ae212 sounds MASSIVE and is hugely loud too....[/quote]
So, as the specs for the AE212 are the same as an AE112 x 2, do I expect it to sound as massive and as loud as 2 AE112's?

I know what 2 AE112's sound like and I would really expect the AE212 to sound pretty much the same, so is there a "hype fest" starting on TB?

I'm surprised that Bergantino have gone for a 212 as it pretty well duplicates existing products.

Edited June 16, 2010 by chris_b

[wateroftyne]

[quote name='chris_b' post='869063' date='Jun 16 2010, 02:27 PM']So, as the specs for the AE212 are the same as an AE112 x 2, do I expect it to sound as massive and as loud as 2 AE112's?
I know what 2 AE112's sound like and I would really expect the AE212 to sound pretty much the same, so is there a "hype fest" starting on TB?
I'm surprised that Bergantino have gone for a 212 as it pretty well duplicates existing products.[/quote]
Bigger internal volume, innit.

[Raggy]

[quote name='wateroftyne' post='869078' date='Jun 16 2010, 02:37 PM']Bigger internal volume, innit.[/quote]

^ wot e sed

[51m0n]

[quote name='chris_b' post='869063' date='Jun 16 2010, 02:27 PM']So, as the specs for the AE212 are the same as an AE112 x 2, do I expect it to sound as massive and as loud as 2 AE112's?

I know what 2 AE112's sound like and I would really expect the AE212 to sound pretty much the same, so is there a "hype fest" starting on TB?

I'm surprised that Bergantino have gone for a 212 as it pretty well duplicates existing products.[/quote]

Well we dont know whats actually going on inside it do we?

We dont know if he is using exactly the same drivers (I would think he is)

We dont know if he has tweaked the port tuning (quite possibly)

We dont know if he has found a previously unknown seam of Bergantino's Magic Speaker Fairy Dust (tm) and used liberal doses of it on these new cabs

But I doubt theres much more of a difference than there is between the ae410 and a pair of ae210s. The difference is there, but (to my ears when I A/B'ed them) it was close enough to insignificant to be not worth worrying about for my needs.

The internal volume will almost certainly be a bit different, but how much of that is impacted upon by more bracing over the larger dimensions I couldnt hazard a guess at...

Nevertheless reports on TB have stated that its a properly thunderous thing, and so on and so forth, so our American brethren are certainly starting to get their knickers in a proper twist over it aren't they

[chris_b]

[quote name='wateroftyne' post='869078' date='Jun 16 2010, 02:37 PM']....Bigger internal volume, innit....[/quote]
No.

Each speaker has twice the internal space but there's 2 speakers instead of 1, making the size the same as 2 AE112's, so no difference there.

The porting might make a difference but as Simon says, and according to Jim Bergantino, 2 x 210's = 1 x 410, so 1 x AE212 shouldn't be significantly different to 2 x AE112's. Therefore all the excitement = hype.

[wateroftyne]

[quote name='chris_b' post='869179' date='Jun 16 2010, 03:58 PM']No.

Each speaker has twice the internal space but there's 2 speakers instead of 1, making the size the same as 2 AE112's, so no difference there.

The porting might make a difference but as Simon says, and according to Jim Bergantino, 2 x 210's = 1 x 410, so 1 x AE212 shouldn't be significantly different to 2 x AE112's. Therefore all the excitement = hype.[/quote]
Ah, fairy nuff. I thought I'd read somewhere that the AE212 was a bigger box than 2xAE112s, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

But, as 5imon says, we don't know what's going on inside.

Maybe nothing new, but at the moment the fact remains that we don't know.

[obbm]

I think the fact that it's all one space does make a difference. I have compared 2 x Epi UL112 against a UL212, which are comparable in volume, the UL212 sounds much much deeper. As they say "there ain't no sustitute for cubic inches". No doubt Alex will put us to rights.

[Toasted]

Seriously Chris, I'm fed up of this. Get over my place and try the IP rig out - or wait until July 12th and try the IP and an ae410!

[Musicman20]

This 'magical' formula seems all well and good, but as always from now on I'll reserve judgement until I hear it myself.

The whole 1x12 x 2, or 2x12 is so close it's barely worth worrying about. The 2x12 might be a little bigger, but I'd suggest testing before making any decisions.

It seems 2-3 people have heard it in the USA yet I hear people almost reviewing the cabinet blind.

Berg make great gear, that is a well known fact, but sone players will always prefer other brands that may or may not be superior.

[Flanker]

I'd always get a 410 over a 212 for a one cab option.

I'd recommend a Berg or an Epi 410UL. I have the latter and it's a deep sounding cab, 1000w @ 4ohms! 57lbs