They're rubbish!! or maybe you just don't like them

[Linus27]

2 minutes ago, tauzero said:

Coldplay are brilliant. Prince is shit. Precision basses are crap.

 

Interesting, I think Coldplay are excellent, but I don't like them, Prince is a musical and songwriting genius but I find difficult to listen to and Precision basses are the best basses ever made but I prefer and play Jazz basses 🤣

[KingBollock]

3 hours ago, Rosie C said:

Apologies for taking you literally, but I can't disagree - Wetherspoons do a decent breakfast for the money and their beer is fairly prices. Also, I saw The Smiths live in 1986 ish at "The Tube" filming and while I really wanted them to be rubbish so I could wind up my friend who was a big fan, they were actually rather good.

This is something I posted, a few days ago, on a thread about Weatherspoons. The person in the video loves Weatherspoons but refuses to eat there.

 

 

“Oddly enough, the best cod and chips I have ever had was in a Weatherspoons… in Skegness (not on holiday, we were visiting friends).

I only order cod when there is nothing else on the menu that I can stand to put in my mouth. I am a very fussy eater. I have had to order cod too many times, both in very cheap and very expensive places. It has always, at best and without exception, been dry/woolly. But tasteless enough for me to eat. 
 

So, in that Weatherspoons, about four years ago, I wasn’t expecting much. It was bloomin’ lovely! I came to the conclusion that it tasted so fresh because we were so close to the sea.

 

Then, last year, we ended up in the Weatherspoons in Carmarthen (nearer to where we actually live), and again cod was the only thing I could eat but I wasn’t holding out much hope for lightening to strike twice, but blimey it did! It was absolutely spot on!”

 

I only discovered that the first place was a Weatherspoons as we were leaving. I think I have been in a Weatherspoons a total of four times, the first two being in Nuneaton.

[Grooverjr]

The thing is, with music or any art form or, indeed, loads of other stuff, there are broadly two ways to measure them - popularity / utility and 'quality'. Sometimes the first is a function of the second, but not very often. It's quite difficult to keep these two separate and attempt to be objective about it. It's a good mental exercise and stops you turnig into either a pub bore or an intolerant tw*t but it also makes for potentially dry conversations or exchanges of views. 

 

So in the spirit of objectivity...

Morrisey is not 'rubbish' in either of the senses - he has written good songs and can hold a tune and his music has been very popular.

Wetherspoon's food: no idea, only ever been in one of thier pubs once and the beer was cheap but the floor was sticky. Not for me, Clive, but people want somewhere to meet and have a drink and some food and we can't always be making those kinds of decisions based on our agreement or otherwise with famous owners. I am rarely in England and when I am there are lots of excellent pubs I can go to and get beer I like in a pleasant atmosphere, which I accept I have to pay more for. 

Ian Brown can't sing but I still enjoy his vocal delivery, partly because I can sing along to it and not sound awful! Liam G can't sing and I don't like thier music but I understand they are popular. Coldplay I just don't get but I think they are largely music for people who don't like music and they perform a valuable function of making a lot of people feel happy.

 

If you want to find genuine total rubbish you just need to put a random word into Spotify song search and have a listen. Plenty of qualitatively awful music with almost no listens. It gives people somethign to do and an outlet to make them feel better and it hurts noone sitting there so it is harmless, but it is absolute twaddle.

[Grooverjr]

1 minute ago, KingBollock said:

 

I only discovered that the first place was a Weatherspoons as we were leaving. I think I have been in a Weatherspoons a total of four times, the first two being in Nuneaton.

Nuneaton....I see what you did there 😁

[KingBollock]

2 hours ago, Beedster said:

 

Fixed it for you 👍

I’d have added:

 

3: Music that you don’t have an opinion of and don’t really mind if it’s playing in the background.

4: Music that you’d leave a pint in a pub to get far enough away from the building so that you can’t hear the music.

[KingBollock]

17 minutes ago, Grooverjr said:

Nuneaton....I see what you did there 😁

Really? I don’t…

 

Genuinely curious!

 

’Ang on… Are you implying a play on words? “None eaten”?

Edited 6 hours ago by KingBollock

[fretmeister]

3 minutes ago, KingBollock said:

I’d have added:

 

3: Music that you don’t have an opinion of and don’t really mind if it’s playing in the background.

4: Music that you’d leave a pint in a pub to get far enough away from the building so that you can’t hear the music.

 

 

4: I nearly have that reaction to The Beatles - but it's not the music as such, it's JL's whiny voice. I think L&M were stellar songwriters and I have a massive collection of covers by other artists. I love the songs.

 

I just can't help thinking how much more popular they would have been with a real singer....  

[neepheid]

Opinions aren't facts.  That's it really.

[fretmeister]

10 minutes ago, neepheid said:

Opinions aren't facts.  That's it really.

 

My youngest daughter likes to wind me up by expressing "her personal truth" about things.

I blame her mother.

[neepheid]

1 minute ago, fretmeister said:

 

My youngest daughter likes to wind me up by expressing "her personal truth" about things.

I blame her mother.

 

Correct her and call it "her opinion" - will probably drive her up the wall, lol.

[Dood]

"Opinions are like *r53holes...." etc etc 

 

 

[Dood]

It wouldn't be the first time I'd been called analytical, and maybe that's not always a helpful skill - though I evaluate people quite quickly on their ability to have a balanced and nuanced discussion and oft wonder why they are quick to dismiss without substance to back it up.

 

 

[SteveXFR]

This really annoys me. Ive heard people say bands they don't like are rubbish and 90% of thevtime, they just mean "this band doesn't fit my taste". If they've made it to the radio/tv/big festival then its highly unlikely they are rubbish. 

Personally I don't like Taylor Swift but I appreciate she is excellent at what she does. I really can't stand classic rock but those bands probably influenced the bands who influenced my favourite bands.

Simply Red however, are just rubbish. 

[Grooverjr]

1 hour ago, KingBollock said:

Really? I don’t…

 

Genuinely curious!

 

’Ang on… Are you implying a play on words? “None eaten”?

Yes. I don't suppose it was deliberate but I quite liked the symmetry of it. It's also just a great place name, especially said in the local accent. 

[KingBollock]

7 minutes ago, Grooverjr said:

Yes. I don't suppose it was deliberate but I quite liked the symmetry of it. It's also just a great place name, especially said in the local accent. 

Really? I lived in Nuneaton for the best(?) part of thirty years, I can’t say I found the name, nor accent (which I still have) particularly erm… great. The original area was just called Eaton. When it expanded they decided to change the name… there happened to a nunnery there, too…

 

I am glad I got out when I did, the place has completely gone to pot. I’ve noticed comedians, and others on the telly, using the place as a crime riddled hellhole. From what I have seen and heard (have friends still in the area), they’re not wrong.

 

Unfortunately the pun wasn’t deliberate. I’m not feeling quite that witty today.

Edited 4 hours ago by KingBollock

[Grooverjr]

3 minutes ago, KingBollock said:

Really? I lived in Nuneaton for the best(?) part of thirty years, I can’t say I found the name, nor accent (which I still have) particularly erm… great.

 

Unfortunately it wasn’t deliberate. I’m not feeling quite that witty today.

I love a midlands accent, the vowels are really fruity. Having a flat North Kent accent myself I loved my university days in Coventry. I have history witht he name because we used to go for a thali and a barfi at a North Indian sweet centre on the Foleshill Road and there was a signpost for Nuneaton on the way. As we would have starved ourselves to get full value from the food we'd do a silly studenty play on words as we passed as part of the ritual. 

Anyway - neither Nuneaton nor Coventry qualified as rubbish in my book back then. I haven't been since, mind you and I'll bow to your superior wisdom on Nuneaton. 

[chris_b]

I saw Morrissey supporting David Bowie at the Albert Hall. I didn't think much of it, but you can't be "rubbish" to get a gig like that. 

 

If someone expresses a dislike by calling something "rubbish" I just mentally tick the "lacking vocabulary" box.

[Ed_S]

It's far too easy to do, but worth working on. The other day I caught myself being brusquely pejorative about another local band's output as lazy shorthand for the truth; "I've tried multiple times but I just don't get it. I'm going out to get some chips while it happens.", so I corrected myself there and then. I find that stopping and openly saying "nah, wait, that's balls - I don't actually mean that" isn't all that hard, and if the guys in the band subsequently had it reported to them verbatim that I'd said I didn't get their music and I'd chosen their set to nip out for food, I don't think it'd stop us from having a beer and watching the headliner together later. Loads of other people are either very into what they do, or don't like chips as much as I do.

Edited 3 hours ago by Ed_S

[Terry M.]

9 hours ago, police squad said:

your thoughts please

To each their own?

[tauzero]

Most of the time, it's personal opinion. There are very few objective absolutes.

 

I thin we can all agree that Mrs Brown's Boys is execrable unfunny rubbish though.

[Terry M.]

6 hours ago, tauzero said:

Prince is shit. 

What makes him shit in your opinion?

[Reggaebass]

9 hours ago, police squad said:

Having been on BC for a while now (and also being a bit older and wiser) I don't understand when someone says something is rubbish or someone is rubbish

when they / it aren't. You just don't like it.

Is Morrisey a rubbish singer, just because I don't like him (as a singer and as a person)? He does what he does and I do quite like some smiths songs

Are all P basses rubbish just because they don't work for you. I don't really like super ornate single cut basses where the top bit goes right down the fingerboard but I'm sure they're very good

 

The food in Wetherspoons. Actually I think it's ok for the money, very good value but it's not gormet and that's not expected at that price point

 

your thoughts please

I can’t really say I know much morrisey or smith’s but there’s probably a few songs I’d listen to if I went through their stuff, I’ll try to listen to anything once (except Coldplay 😁)

Wetherspoons is great if you want cheap and cheerful and they do a decent breakfast, and unlimited coffee ,

i don’t think I’ve ever rubbished anything here just because it’s not my thing, I actually like to see what other people like, but I do notice that some do , especially when the subject Fender pops up 

[Bassassin]

6 hours ago, tauzero said:

Coldplay are brilliant. Prince is shit. Precision basses are crap.

 

Coldplay are the perfect example of a band for people who don't like bands, who play music for people who don't like music - and that's precisely why they are so phenomenally successful.

 

 

[SumOne]