They're rubbish!! or maybe you just don't like them

[Linus27]

2 minutes ago, tauzero said:

Coldplay are brilliant. Prince is shit. Precision basses are crap.

 

Interesting, I think Coldplay are excellent, but I don't like them, Prince is a musical and songwriting genius but I find difficult to listen to and Precision basses are the best basses ever made but I prefer and play Jazz basses 🤣

[KingBollock]

3 hours ago, Rosie C said:

Apologies for taking you literally, but I can't disagree - Wetherspoons do a decent breakfast for the money and their beer is fairly prices. Also, I saw The Smiths live in 1986 ish at "The Tube" filming and while I really wanted them to be rubbish so I could wind up my friend who was a big fan, they were actually rather good.

This is something I posted, a few days ago, on a thread about Weatherspoons. The person in the video loves Weatherspoons but refuses to eat there.

 

 

“Oddly enough, the best cod and chips I have ever had was in a Weatherspoons… in Skegness (not on holiday, we were visiting friends).

I only order cod when there is nothing else on the menu that I can stand to put in my mouth. I am a very fussy eater. I have had to order cod too many times, both in very cheap and very expensive places. It has always, at best and without exception, been dry/woolly. But tasteless enough for me to eat. 
 

So, in that Weatherspoons, about four years ago, I wasn’t expecting much. It was bloomin’ lovely! I came to the conclusion that it tasted so fresh because we were so close to the sea.

 

Then, last year, we ended up in the Weatherspoons in Carmarthen (nearer to where we actually live), and again cod was the only thing I could eat but I wasn’t holding out much hope for lightening to strike twice, but blimey it did! It was absolutely spot on!”

 

I only discovered that the first place was a Weatherspoons as we were leaving. I think I have been in a Weatherspoons a total of four times, the first two being in Nuneaton.

[Grooverjr]

The thing is, with music or any art form or, indeed, loads of other stuff, there are broadly two ways to measure them - popularity / utility and 'quality'. Sometimes the first is a function of the second, but not very often. It's quite difficult to keep these two separate and attempt to be objective about it. It's a good mental exercise and stops you turnig into either a pub bore or an intolerant tw*t but it also makes for potentially dry conversations or exchanges of views. 

 

So in the spirit of objectivity...

Morrisey is not 'rubbish' in either of the senses - he has written good songs and can hold a tune and his music has been very popular.

Wetherspoon's food: no idea, only ever been in one of thier pubs once and the beer was cheap but the floor was sticky. Not for me, Clive, but people want somewhere to meet and have a drink and some food and we can't always be making those kinds of decisions based on our agreement or otherwise with famous owners. I am rarely in England and when I am there are lots of excellent pubs I can go to and get beer I like in a pleasant atmosphere, which I accept I have to pay more for. 

Ian Brown can't sing but I still enjoy his vocal delivery, partly because I can sing along to it and not sound awful! Liam G can't sing and I don't like thier music but I understand they are popular. Coldplay I just don't get but I think they are largely music for people who don't like music and they perform a valuable function of making a lot of people feel happy.

 

If you want to find genuine total rubbish you just need to put a random word into Spotify song search and have a listen. Plenty of qualitatively awful music with almost no listens. It gives people somethign to do and an outlet to make them feel better and it hurts noone sitting there so it is harmless, but it is absolute twaddle.

[Grooverjr]

1 minute ago, KingBollock said:

 

I only discovered that the first place was a Weatherspoons as we were leaving. I think I have been in a Weatherspoons a total of four times, the first two being in Nuneaton.

Nuneaton....I see what you did there 😁

[KingBollock]

2 hours ago, Beedster said:

 

Fixed it for you 👍

I’d have added:

 

3: Music that you don’t have an opinion of and don’t really mind if it’s playing in the background.

4: Music that you’d leave a pint in a pub to get far enough away from the building so that you can’t hear the music.

[KingBollock]

17 minutes ago, Grooverjr said:

Nuneaton....I see what you did there 😁

Really? I don’t…

 

Genuinely curious!

 

’Ang on… Are you implying a play on words? “None eaten”?

Edited 27 minutes ago by KingBollock

[fretmeister]

3 minutes ago, KingBollock said:

I’d have added:

 

3: Music that you don’t have an opinion of and don’t really mind if it’s playing in the background.

4: Music that you’d leave a pint in a pub to get far enough away from the building so that you can’t hear the music.

 

 

4: I nearly have that reaction to The Beatles - but it's not the music as such, it's JL's whiny voice. I think L&M were stellar songwriters and I have a massive collection of covers by other artists. I love the songs.

 

I just can't help thinking how much more popular they would have been with a real singer....  

[neepheid]

Opinions aren't facts.  That's it really.

[fretmeister]

10 minutes ago, neepheid said:

Opinions aren't facts.  That's it really.

 

My youngest daughter likes to wind me up by expressing "her personal truth" about things.

I blame her mother.

[neepheid]

1 minute ago, fretmeister said:

 

My youngest daughter likes to wind me up by expressing "her personal truth" about things.

I blame her mother.

 

Correct her and call it "her opinion" - will probably drive her up the wall, lol.

[Dood]

"Opinions are like *r53holes...." etc etc 

 

 

[Dood]

It wouldn't be the first time I'd been called analytical, and maybe that's not always a helpful skill - though I evaluate people quite quickly on their ability to have a balanced and nuanced discussion and oft wonder why they are quick to dismiss without substance to back it up.