Danny Sapko discovers… (now including follow up vid that is worse!)

[tegs07]

20 minutes ago, BabyBlueSound said:

 

I mean I genuinely don't understand this sort of a thing... why are you here then, a topic dedicated to this? 😁

 

To give you an example, I don't care about metal bass or the genre... to me personally it sounds and feels like nothing, so... I don't read metal bass topics, or comment on them, saying I have no interest in this and to me it all sounds like metallic farts.

 

You don't care about the fake outrage... again, why are you here, just to position yourself above other people with some holier than thou opinion?

It's not like we open a new topic every time a half-entertaining Sapko video comes up. 😁

 

"Creating instead of spending time outraging" is hardly a convincing opinion when one then drops a "I don't care but I'm still here commenting" line... or can that be considered part of the creative process? Will all this be in the lyrics of their new catchy song? 😁

 

Also, what outrage?

It's a 5 min video people don't even watch till the end, it's not like the outrage is stopping generations of content and music being dropped, this is something I'd watch on the loo 😁 I just found it funny someone is actually trying to sell guitar courses with a million-view cameltoe spread.

 

I think shit like this should be called out indeed, there should be evidence videos of it indeed, we should have a laugh at these videos and the fools if they entertain us, then we should move on. We should not "outrage" or tell other people what they should be spending their free time on.

 

If not interested in a specific topic: there are many many many other topics and forums where you can be the contrarian just as easily 😂. Welcome to the internet.

 

Absolutely no hard feelings, but I honestly don't understand when someone comes to a topic that's ACTUALLY about a topic and just shits on the ongoing stuff. Well good on ya. I am here because these silly videos entertain me.

My perspective on this topic is you can walk into Fortnum and Mason and browse through all the delicious cheese. If you then walk out with some processed cheese straws and get all bent out of shape because they taste sh1t there is not much to say. Yes they taste sh1t. Choose something better.

[wateroftyne]

23 minutes ago, BabyBlueSound said:

 

I mean I genuinely don't understand this sort of a thing... why are you here then, a topic dedicated to this? 😁

 

To give you an example, I don't care about metal bass or the genre... to me personally it sounds and feels like nothing, so... I don't read metal bass topics, or comment on them, saying I have no interest in this and to me it all sounds like metallic farts.

 

You don't care about the fake outrage... again, why are you here, just to position yourself above other people with some holier than thou opinion?

It's not like we open a new topic every time a half-entertaining Sapko video comes up. 😁

 

"Creating instead of spending time outraging" is hardly a convincing opinion when one then drops a "I don't care but I'm still here commenting" line... or can that be considered part of the creative process? Will all this be in the lyrics of their new catchy song? 😁

 

Also, what outrage?

It's a 5 min video people don't even watch till the end, it's not like the outrage is stopping generations of content and music being dropped, this is something I'd watch on the loo 😁 I just found it funny someone is actually trying to sell guitar courses with a million-view cameltoe spread.

 

I think shit like this should be called out indeed, there should be evidence videos of it indeed, we should have a laugh at these videos and the fools if they entertain us, then we should move on. We should not "outrage" or tell other people what they should be spending their free time on.

 

If not interested in a specific topic: there are many many many other topics and forums where you can be the contrarian just as easily 😂. Welcome to the internet.

 

Absolutely no hard feelings, but I honestly don't understand when someone comes to a topic that's ACTUALLY about a topic and just shits on the ongoing stuff. Well good on ya. I am here because these silly videos entertain me.

If you read Beedster's post again, he makes an important point which contributes to the discussion.

[HeadlessBassist]

Another day, eh?

 

I'm likening this to the "jaGuar" marketing late last year. People were up in arms, because of the totally un-Jaguar woke nonsense marketing campaign, and the tv advert that didn't even have so much as a concept car in it.

 

The truth was that it was a hugely clever marketing campaign which got EVERYBODY talking about the forthcoming new jaGuar and the new direction of the company.

 

And we're all sitting here being outraged while Sapko walks off with his YouTube earnings and that girl continues to mime badly. Maybe outrage was the whole point, because they've certainly got us all talking about it.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by HeadlessBassist

[Burns-bass]

2 hours ago, Beedster said:

This ^

 

And the outrage - and therefore this thread - is all part of the marketing, the only thing worse than being talked about ……

 

This is Danny's job. The outrage, the shares, the links and the likes are all generating cash for him and others. (The paradox of pointing out the fakery here is that it'll generate more clicks for the faker, generating them cash too.)

 

It's a job as pointless as most of them (thanks David Graeber), but it's his job. Well paid? Who knows. Emotionally fulfilling? Probably not. 

 

What's weird about theYouTube thing is that, from what I can see, it's people performing incredible things on their own in a room. It's the antithesis of what music making is, which is playing with people for people. 

 

Basically, social media sucks, people are stupid and bass players should stop double tapping, slapping and showing off, and play the root note. 

 

 

[HeadlessBassist]

15 minutes ago, Burns-bass said:

 

This is Danny's job. The outrage, the shares, the links and the likes are all generating cash for him and others. (The paradox of pointing out the fakery here is that it'll generate more clicks for the faker, generating them cash too.)

 

It's a job as pointless as most of them (thanks David Graeber), but it's his job. Well paid? Who knows. Emotionally fulfilling? Probably not. 

 

What's weird about theYouTube thing is that, from what I can see, it's people performing incredible things on their own in a room. It's the antithesis of what music making is, which is playing with people for people. 

 

Basically, social media sucks, people are stupid and bass players should stop double tapping, slapping and showing off, and play the root note. 

 

 

 

Absolutely correct.

 

Social media was originally created to supposedly 'bring us all together'. The truth is that when you give everybody a voice, it creates separation and division. Outrage will give you more views than simple, peaceful joy.

 

I'm all for people like Charles Berthoud expanding what the instrument can do, and it was touching to see Victor Wooten naming him as the 'Heir Apparent', commenting that he was the player that took things further than he ever could. Hopefully that inspires a new generation to be even better.

 

But yes, I don't get many opportunities to showboat. My money is mainly earned by being a bass player, supporting the music, holding everything together and making the people at the front of the stage sound great.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by HeadlessBassist

[tegs07]

1 minute ago, HeadlessBassist said:

Social media was originally created to supposedly 'bring us all together'. The truth is that when you give everybody a voice, it creates separation and division. Outrage will give you more views than simple, peaceful joy.

Could be worse it could lead to an entire country turning into a reality TV show. Ermm OK that’s already happening.

[HeadlessBassist]

Just now, tegs07 said:

Could be worse it could lead to an entire country turning into a reality TV show. Ermm OK that’s already happening.

 

🫣

[Cato]

If AI video generation keeps advancing at the current rate in a year or so the scandal won't be that influencers are decieving their followers, it'll be that they never existed in the first place.

[Burns-bass]

7 minutes ago, HeadlessBassist said:

 

Absolutely correct.

 

Social media was originally created to supposedly 'bring us all together'. The truth is that when you give everybody a voice, it creates separation and division. Outrage will give you more views than simple, peaceful joy.

 

I'm all for people like Charles Berthoud expanding what the instrument can do, and it was touching to see Victor Wooten naming him as the 'Heir Apparent', commenting that he was the player that took things further than he ever could. Hopefully that inspires a new generation to be even better.

 

But yes, I don't get many opportunities to showboat. My money is mainly earned by being a bass player, supporting the music, holding everything together and making the people at the front of the stage sound great.

 

 

 

Agreed. Anger is a weird emotion. 

 

I like Charles Berthoud as well. He seems the kid of guy who would be just as happy smashing the root note for half an hour than playing the most complex lines you've ever heard.

 

But, could he do it down the Three Tuns on a wet Tuesday evening? Probably.

 

What's interesting is the nature of musical fame and what constitutes a musical career is changing. People like Charles and the other YouTubers now present a realistic career path for other content creators. It's weird, yes, but it's no less valid than playing in a cover band or whatever else you can do with four strings and a whole lot of heart.

 

The avenues for playing live are becoming fewer and fewer and this is how these people now live and make money. Good luck to them I say.

 

[wateroftyne]

39 minutes ago, HeadlessBassist said:

Another day, eh?

 

I'm likening this to the "jaGuar" marketing late last year. People were up in arms, because of the totally un-Jaguar woke nonsense marketing campaign, and the tv advert that didn't even have so much as a concept car in it.

 

The truth was that it was a hugely clever marketing campaign which got EVERYBODY talking about the forthcoming new jaGuar and the new direction of the company.

 

And we're all sitting here being outraged while Sapko walks off with his YouTube earnings and that girl continues to mime badly. Maybe outrage was the whole point, because they've certainly got us all talking about it.

 

 

I’m not sure this is a valid parallel - I think the Jaguar campaign was a genuine misstep, rather than a calculated move, hence the CEO taking a walk without a successor.

[HeadlessBassist]

1 minute ago, wateroftyne said:

I’m not sure this is a valid parallel - I think the Jaguar campaign was a genuine misstep, rather than a calculated move, hence the CEO taking a walk without a successor.

 

In principal, I agree with you totally, WoT. If I had been the 'jaGuar' CEO, I'd have canned this rebranding before it ever saw the light of day, but the truth is that they needed to do something, because the past twenty years of trying to beat the Germans at their own game had clearly not yielded good results.

 

Anyway, we're getting off-topic here. It was just an example of a brilliant way of getting people talking. Engineered outrage, again.

[BigRedX]

One of the things we seem to have lost sight of is that for nearly everyone on here, the people who watch the more than 10 seconds of any of the videos being discussed in this thread are not our audience and are unlikely to ever be our audience, so lets stop worrying about them and maybe put some of that outrage energy into producing some great new music and performing it in a way that will get people excited about both the music and the performance.

[Skinnyman]

11 minutes ago, BigRedX said:

One of the things we seem to have lost sight of is that for nearly everyone on here, the people who watch the more than 10 seconds of any of the videos being discussed in this thread are not our audience and are unlikely to ever be our audience, so lets stop worrying about them and maybe put some of that outrage energy into producing some great new music and performing it in a way that will get people excited about both the music and the performance.

Great idea. Maybe we could video it and post the video online? 😂

[tegs07]

9 minutes ago, Skinnyman said:

Great idea. Maybe we could video it and post the video online? 😂

Do you have a bikini you could wear?

[Dood]

31 minutes ago, BigRedX said:

One of the things we seem to have lost sight of is that for nearly everyone on here, the people who watch the more than 10 seconds of any of the videos being discussed in this thread are not our audience and are unlikely to ever be our audience, so lets stop worrying about them and maybe put some of that outrage energy into producing some great new music and performing it in a way that will get people excited about both the music and the performance.

A point well made, though I fear that social media, or rather the companies who run the platforms have done such a “good” job at engineering (and by that I mean controlling) those using the platforms, that no one can handle any more than about 30 seconds of any video before the next micro dopamine hit is required triggering and almost involuntary action to scroll. I know people who can’t even list to a whole song in the car before they have to hit next. 

 

Any decent long-form productions are swamped by the algorithm spitting out the BS that we’ve spent 13 pages talking about instead. 😔 I would love for 13 pages about Bass The World’s gear, Bass Player Magazine’s reviews, The Jonny Dibbles and Bass Bonedos of this world being discussed and given the support our community needs. Support where it is needed.

[Dan Dare]

11 hours ago, Dood said:

I have students who play better than some of these. Maybe if they spent less time practicing trading flesh for likes but practicing their instruments instead … 

 

God forbid. We'd merely end up with better executed tripe.

 

I agree with BigRedX above, but I would add that there is comedy value in rubbish YT music vid's. Obvs, you don't want to spend hours watching them, but a few minutes light relief (Oooer, missus) is a welcome break in the daily grind.

Edited 2 hours ago by Dan Dare

[TimR]

They understand how dopamine works. It's not about the constant scrolling, it's about finding something that's better than you expected.

 

In a sea of mediocrity everyone is scrolling, scrolling, searching for something that presses their button and ticks their own personal box.

 

The genie is out of the bottle. Just performing good music, well, no longer gets people's attention. 

 

To be honest, it never has, its always been about the next best thing, audiences are fickle and constantly changing and evolving. Beatles vs Stones, not about the music, Mods vs Rockers, Blur vs Oasis, Dem vs Rep, Gen Z vs Gen X, Feminist vs Trans, it's not about music, it's all about being a member of a tribe. And media and politicians know this is how it works. 

 

You need to be ahead of the game and finding something new and exciting all the time.

 

The problem is, now we have come so far along the line, there's very little that is new and engaging.

 

Hence, people continue to scroll endlessly in a pointless search, and when they do find something that's new and exciting and fresh, are swiftly disappointed when they find it's not real, all smoke and mirrors, the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain. 

 

[TimR]

1 hour ago, Dood said:

that no one can handle any more than about 30 seconds of any video before the next micro dopamine hit is required triggering and almost involuntary action to scroll.

 

They're not getting their hit. If it doesn't hit within 30seconds, they know it's probably not coming and move on to the next video.

 

That's why the videos have to lure people in, and have to be engineered to hold people's attention. It's why people spend hours searching, they're not getting the hit, if they were, they'd not be on the phone for hours. They're all searching for something that isn't there.

 

[Dan Dare]

44 minutes ago, TimR said:

To be honest, it never has, its always been about the next best thing, audiences are fickle and constantly changing and evolving. Beatles vs Stones, not about the music, Mods vs Rockers, Blur vs Oasis, Dem vs Rep, Gen Z vs Gen X, Feminist vs Trans, it's not about music, it's all about being a member of a tribe. And media and politicians know this is how it works. 

 

You need to be ahead of the game and finding something new and exciting all the time.

 

The problem is, now we have come so far along the line, there's very little that is new and engaging.

 

Hence, people continue to scroll endlessly in a pointless search, and when they do find something that's new and exciting and fresh, are swiftly disappointed when they find it's not real, all smoke and mirrors, the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain. 

 

This and your subsequent post above is very true. We are becoming increasingly jaded and in search of instant gratification and something that isn't (and cannot be) there.

[Beedster]

4 hours ago, BabyBlueSound said:

 

I mean I genuinely don't understand this sort of a thing... why are you here then, a topic dedicated to this? 😁

 

To give you an example, I don't care about metal bass or the genre... to me personally it sounds and feels like nothing, so... I don't read metal bass topics, or comment on them, saying I have no interest in this and to me it all sounds like metallic farts.

 

You don't care about the fake outrage... again, why are you here, just to position yourself above other people with some holier than thou opinion?

It's not like we open a new topic every time a half-entertaining Sapko video comes up. 😁

 

"Creating instead of spending time outraging" is hardly a convincing opinion when one then drops a "I don't care but I'm still here commenting" line... or can that be considered part of the creative process? Will all this be in the lyrics of their new catchy song? 😁

 

Also, what outrage?

It's a 5 min video people don't even watch till the end, it's not like the outrage is stopping generations of content and music being dropped, this is something I'd watch on the loo 😁 I just found it funny someone is actually trying to sell guitar courses with a million-view cameltoe spread.

 

I think shit like this should be called out indeed, there should be evidence videos of it indeed, we should have a laugh at these videos and the fools if they entertain us, then we should move on. We should not "outrage" or tell other people what they should be spending their free time on.

 

If not interested in a specific topic: there are many many many other topics and forums where you can be the contrarian just as easily 😂. Welcome to the internet.

 

Absolutely no hard feelings, but I honestly don't understand when someone comes to a topic that's ACTUALLY about a topic and just shits on the ongoing stuff. Well good on ya. I am here because these silly videos entertain me.

Think you misread, I simply meant the outrage of the presenter is part of the marketing, and why we’re all here talking about it, hence the Wilde quote 👍

 

But either way, ouch 😆