Danny Sapko discovers… (now including follow up vid that is worse!)

[Killerfridge]

2 minutes ago, Woodinblack said:

 

So is this part of the same story or has the world gone a little mad? I hadn't heard of the Old Time Sailors, so I did a search on them and it seems they are tied up on a modern day slavery probe in devon? I mean that sounds a bit worse than just nicking a few songs.

 

I'm sorry, what?!

[Woodinblack]

2 minutes ago, Killerfridge said:

I'm sorry, what?!

Thats what I thought but..

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/old-time-sailors-blast-hate-10204971

 

"As part of this investigation, we have arrested six males on suspicion of modern-day slavery offences. We appreciate the activity may have caused some confusion and concern amongst the local community" - the band leader has done a runner.

[tauzero]

12 minutes ago, Woodinblack said:

Thats what I thought but..

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/old-time-sailors-blast-hate-10204971

 

"As part of this investigation, we have arrested six males on suspicion of modern-day slavery offences. We appreciate the activity may have caused some confusion and concern amongst the local community" - the band leader has done a runner.

 

A few of the comments on the video refer to musicians being unpaid or underpaid for their work with Old Time Sailors.

[Beer of the Bass]

There's a website that presents stories from multiple former members and catalogues existing court cases in Argentina against the bandleader. But since it's sensitive material relating to a current UK police investigation, it's presumably not one to share on basschat.

[kwmlondon]

22 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said:

 

Yes. This seems to be more iniquitous, and the way the band operates sounds unconventional at best.

Yep. I’m not going to look into this band. Not interested going down that rabbit hole. 

[Stub Mandrel]

4 hours ago, Woodinblack said:

 

So is this part of the same story or has the world gone a little mad? I hadn't heard of the Old Time Sailors, so I did a search on them and it seems they are tied up on a modern day slavery probe in devon? I mean that sounds a bit worse than just nicking a few songs.

 

 

I was struck by the plagiarism accusations... the modern slavery element became apparent later.

[Andy_L]

Folks, now is probably a good time to announce that due to unforseen circumstances, the release of my fantastic new song, "Bernadette", has been delayed 

Edited May 23 by Andy_L

[wateroftyne]

14 hours ago, Woodinblack said:

 

So is this part of the same story or has the world gone a little mad? I hadn't heard of the Old Time Sailors, so I did a search on them and it seems they are tied up on a modern day slavery probe in devon? I mean that sounds a bit worse than just nicking a few songs.

 

Some info:

 

https://truth-teller.org

[BabyBlueSound]

Here's a great collab from some of the incredible musicians g.t. stole from:

 

 

[Beedster]

17 hours ago, tauzero said:

 

A few of the comments on the video refer to musicians being unpaid or underpaid for their work with Old Time Sailors.

 

The BBC mentioned that several members of the band were found 'accommodated in a cottage in Devon being paid low salaries'. On two counts they're doing a whole lot better than me and my band for most of the 80's 🤔 

[Crusoe]

On 14/05/2025 at 10:52, Cosmo Valdemar said:

Is that bass at the start of Cannonball a mistake, really? 

Sure is.

[Woodinblack]

4 hours ago, wateroftyne said:

Some info:

 

https://truth-teller.org

 

I had seen that image in a facebook post before, when I didn't know about the story and had ignored.

I don't think I would want to see them anyway!

[wateroftyne]

27 minutes ago, Woodinblack said:

 

I had seen that image in a facebook post before, when I didn't know about the story and had ignored.

I don't think I would want to see them anyway!

Me neither. Music for people who think they like music.

[Rich]

They strike me as a sort of bastárdised Bellowhead/Fisherman's Friends mashup without the appeal or the ability of either. And they make for quite horrifying reading. 

[Stub Mandrel]

4 hours ago, Crusoe said:

Sure is.

 

I assume the mistake is it slides up to E where in the rest of the song it's F?

[Cosmo Valdemar]

1 hour ago, Stub Mandrel said:

 

I assume the mistake is it slides up to E where in the rest of the song it's F?

That's considered the mistake, however in interviews with the band it was a mistake from rehearsals that they decided to keep as part of the song as it sounded good, rather than a mistake made during the recording session - by then it was a part of the song.

[Count Bassy]

On 22/05/2025 at 20:58, kwmlondon said:

Didn’t Paul Simon rip off his Scarborough Fair arrangement from someone?

From memory; the sleeve notes gave the impression that he had written it, rather than arranged a traditional song.

Edited May 24 by Count Bassy

[kwmlondon]

On 24/05/2025 at 23:48, Count Bassy said:

From memory; the sleeve notes gave the impression that he had written it, rather than arranged a traditional song.

Martin McCarthy wrote that arrangement I think Paul Simon copyright Ed it

[cybertect]

12 hours ago, kwmlondon said:

Martin McCarthy wrote that arrangement I think Paul Simon copyright Ed it

 

Martin Carthy - and he was very unhappy about it

 

I just discovered a detail in an FT article that I was ignorant of up till now [emphasis added]

 

https://ig.ft.com/life-of-a-song/scarborough-fair.html

 

Quote

What of Martin Carthy? Eventually he grew tired of, in his own words, the “trudge through the grudge”. It turned out that his own publisher had, without his knowledge, copyrighted his arrangement and had been receiving royalties from Simon all along (Carthy had somehow managed to sign away his own claim in the small print of a contract). Carthy and Simon, reconciled, joined forces to sing the song in London in 1998, closing that circle.

 

!!!

[Count Bassy]

Thanks for all the clarifications folks.

[kwmlondon]

2 hours ago, cybertect said:

 

Martin Carthy - and he was very unhappy about it

 

I just discovered a detail in an FT article that I was ignorant of up till now [emphasis added]

 

https://ig.ft.com/life-of-a-song/scarborough-fair.html

 

 

!!!

Sorry. I’m rubbish with names. I actually saw Martin Cathy play at the tribute concert to Bert Jansch. It was just one of those stories I heard mentioned once and I’m really glad that it wasn’t that Paul Simon who stole credit for someone else’s work. Thanks for sharing 

[Sibob]

On 26/05/2025 at 15:33, kwmlondon said:

Sorry. I’m rubbish with names. I actually saw Martin Cathy play at the tribute concert to Bert Jansch. It was just one of those stories I heard mentioned once and I’m really glad that it wasn’t that Paul Simon who stole credit for someone else’s work. Thanks for sharing 

Carthy!

 

🤣

[kwmlondon]

5 minutes ago, Sibob said:

Carthy!

 

🤣

Like I said Marvin Carthy

[Stub Mandrel]

1 hour ago, kwmlondon said:

Like I said Marvin Carthy

 

Melvin Harty? Doing a ten stretch in Winson Green for impersonating a Garfunkel.

[kwmlondon]

12 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said:

 

Melvin Harty? Doing a ten stretch in Winson Green for impersonating a Garfunkel.

Garfunkels? Absolutely dreadful chain of tourist-trap steakhouses in London's West End. If that's HIM who caused that, lock him up and throw away the key, I say.

Edited May 28 by kwmlondon