neepheid Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 19 minutes ago, Ashborygirl said: USA Epiphones were out of production for nearly 50 years. In that time the name was used exclusively on cheaper Japanese & Korean made instruments. Hardly progress from their pre-Gibson heyday. So, you're going to completely sidestep everything I've said then? OK, have fun with the bee in your bonnet, at least it agrees with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashborygirl Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, neepheid said: So, you're going to completely sidestep everything I've said then? OK, have fun with the bee in your bonnet, at least it agrees with you Mr kettle, meet Mr Pot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msb Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 They seem to have let Mesa be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_5 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 SWR. Sadly they're dead to everyone else too. 😪 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassTractor Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 That's one hot avatar you've got there, @paul_5. Love it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hill76 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 EDF Energy. About to go to the Ombudsman for the third time (won the last two). How this company still exists is beyond me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyTravis Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, hill76 said: EDF Energy. About to go to the Ombudsman for the third time (won the last two). How this company still exists is beyond me. Oh yeah - these Twunts. When Mrs T used them when she was living alone, and l had to battle when they tried to sting her for leaving. Scottish Power I had run ins with too… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyctes Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Microsoft. Many, many years ago - first task in a new job - "install MS-DOS, Windows 3 and Fortran on that PC". That meant making specific changes in the install of both DOS and W3. There were three manual comments about how to do this, one for each piece of software. They were all different. And they were all wrong. Much later, with Windows 10 they made it impossible to do my (software development) job. Never again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Very. Not music related I know total sugar honey iced tea. I bought one thing, they fcuked up every thing about purchase, delivery, return, refund and subsequent complaint. Full marks on a total 24/7 100% omnishambles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asingardenof Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 18 hours ago, Rich said: Trace Elliott (sic) is budget gear..? Trace Elliot is owned by Peavey these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asingardenof Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 (edited) 19 hours ago, Ashborygirl said: Gibson, their QC hit rock bottom 20+ years ago & it's been downhill from there. The fact you now get a QC checklist signing off things that have clearly never been checked really takes the piss. Oh & their dedication to buying out promissing companies to kill them off. Trace Elliott, Steinberger, Tobias, Epiphone, Kramer & now Mesa Boogie. All either disappeared or now just trade names for budget gear. Mesa Boogie are a budget brand? Also Trace Elliot are owned by Peavey these days so definitely not dead, and definitely not crap. Edited February 29 by asingardenof 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfalex v1.1 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 12 hours ago, hill76 said: EDF Energy. About to go to the Ombudsman for the third time (won the last two). How this company still exists is beyond me. The clue is in the name. They're State-sponsored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan0583 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 LG after my mobile phone died on the way to a gig in Aberystwyth. I was using Google maps on my phone to find the gig (festival, so just a field). Had to stop and buy a map, but had no way of contacting anyone. Luckily I managed to find the field, but will never buy an LG product again! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashborygirl Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 (edited) 11 hours ago, asingardenof said: Mesa Boogie are a budget brand? Also Trace Elliot are owned by Peavey these days so definitely not dead, and definitely not crap. Where did I describe Boogie as 'budget' or TE as 'crap'? Gibson bought Boogie in 2021 & there have been no new Boogies in the UK since. Gibson say they will come back, but for now, you can't buy a new one. So that patient, if not dead, has been in ITU for 3 years. Gibson bought TE in October 1998 & moved the majority of manufacturing to the US & Asia. They closed the UK factory in December 2001 & effectively ended TE production. I'd say that was Gibson killing off the brand. Peavey bought the distribution rights in 2006 & relaunched the brand, albeit using the same OEM boards found in some Peavey branded amps. Nothing inherently wrong with that, but I doubt it's what Fred Friedlein envisioned for his company. Edited February 29 by Ashborygirl Speeling & gramma 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 53 minutes ago, Ashborygirl said: Where did I describe Boogie as 'budget' or TE as 'crap'? Gibson bought Boogie in 2021 & there have been no new Boogies in the UK since. Gibson say they will come back, but for now, you can't buy a new one. So that patient, if not dead, has been in ITU for 3 years. Gibson bought TE in October 1998 & moved the majority of manufacturing to the US & Asia. They closed the UK factory in December 2001 & effectively ended TE production. I'd say that was Gibson killing off the brand. Peavey bought the distribution rights in 2006 & relaunched the brand, albeit using the same OEM boards found in some Peavey branded amps. Nothing inherently wrong with that, but I doubt it's what Fred Friedlein envisioned for his company. That's the commercial world for you. As far as I can see with all the Class D amps, they're all pretty much the same. Most people seem to run them flat. Everyone is cutting costs and slimming down lines. There are more boutique amps out there now. Time will tell, but the big players are too big to be taking risks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunderwonder Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 On 29/02/2024 at 04:11, Ashborygirl said: Trace Elliott, Steinberger, Tobias, Epiphone, Kramer & now Mesa Boogie. All either disappeared or now just trade names for budget gear. 1 hour ago, Ashborygirl said: Where did I describe Boogie as 'budget' or TE as 'crap'? Gibson bought Boogie in 2021 & there have been no new Boogies in the UK since. Gibson say they will come back, but for now, you can't buy a new one. So that patient, if not dead, has been in ITU for 3 years. Gibson bought TE in October 1998 & moved the majority of manufacturing to the US & Asia. They closed the UK factory in December 2001 & effectively ended TE production. I'd say that was Gibson killing off the brand. Peavey bought the distribution rights in 2006 & relaunched the brand, albeit using the same OEM boards found in some Peavey branded amps. Nothing inherently wrong with that, but I doubt it's what Fred Friedlein envisioned for his company. Right there above. Crap may be an exaggeration of budget but Mesa is definitely not budget, and neither is Trace thanks to Peavey's resurrection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashborygirl Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) Read what I wrote; 'All either disappeared or now just trade names for budget gear' One or the other category, not both. Nowhere have I said, implicitly nor explicitly, that MB & TE are in the latter category. You can't buy a MB in the UK since Gibson's take over & Gibson discontinued TE production. I'd have thought the category those 2 brands fall into was fairly obvious. Edited March 1 by Ashborygirl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunderwonder Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Mesa has neither disappeared nor become a budget brand. Ditto Trace Elliot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashborygirl Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) Find me a Gibson made MB for sale in the UK, there are none & haven't been any since Gibson bought them. Gibson shut down production of TE in 2002. Those are demonstrable facts. Edited March 1 by Ashborygirl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelDean Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 26 minutes ago, Ashborygirl said: Find me a Gibson made MB for sale in the UK, there are none & haven't been any since Gibson bought them. Gibson shut down production of TE in 2002. Those are demonstrable facts. UK sellers are taking pre-orders for Mesa Boogie stuff now. https://www.andertons.co.uk/bass-dept/bass-amps/bass-amp-heads?facet=ads_f11006_ntk_cs%3A"Mesa+Boogie" Due supply chain issues over the last few years they've not been able to make enough to export, or something like that. See the thread here with the amp designer chiming in: Peavey now own Trace Elliot, have done since 2005. They've had the Elf out for 5-ish years. The TE-1200 isn't cheap, and is currently on back order. https://www.gak.co.uk/en/trace-elliot-te-1200-bass-amplifier-head/959229 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashborygirl Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 3 minutes ago, MichaelDean said: UK sellers are taking pre-orders for Mesa Boogie stuff now. https://www.andertons.co.uk/bass-dept/bass-amps/bass-amp-heads?facet=ads_f11006_ntk_cs%3A"Mesa+Boogie" Due supply chain issues over the last few years they've not been able to make enough to export, or something like that. See the thread here with the amp designer chiming in: Peavey now own Trace Elliot, have done since 2005. They've had the Elf out for 5-ish years. The TE-1200 isn't cheap, and is currently on back order. https://www.gak.co.uk/en/trace-elliot-te-1200-bass-amplifier-head/959229 All true, but its odd the supply chain issues only arose once Gibson took ownership. Meanwhile MB's competitors have been able to churn amps out by the thousand. Kudos to Peavey for bringing back TE, especially using UK manufacture. The Elf is a terrific amp. But it doesn't reflect well on Gibson that they sacked all the staff and mothballed the brand yet Peavey have now made the brand a commercial & critical success. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelDean Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Just now, Ashborygirl said: All true, but its odd the supply chain issues only arose once Gibson took ownership. Meanwhile MB's competitors have been able to churn amps out by the thousand. Kudos to Peavey for bringing back TE, especially using UK manufacture. The Elf is a terrific amp. But it doesn't reflect well on Gibson that they sacked all the staff and mothballed the brand yet Peavey have now made the brand a commercial & critical success. Gibson bought MB in 2021. What with COVID supply chains, Suez Canal blockage, etc. It has taken a while to get everything back on track. Plus they're all made in the US, not offshored and made in China. Gibson sacking all of the TE employees is indefensible! I don't think Peavey are using UK manufacture currently. From pictures on retailer's sites, it says on the back of the TE-1200 and Elf that it is designed in the UK & USA, made in China. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunderwonder Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Trace was in suspended animation for a bit. What of it? Gibson relinquished the brand and some remainder of parts to Peavey and boy oh boy have they (eventually) breathed the life back into it. Neither dead nor a budget brand. Gibson were poor custodians of Trace Elliot. They didn't put anything into R&D for it so it withered away. The brand survived Peavey's initial missteps and now flourishes. None of that is consistent with your assertion that Trace is now a budget brand due to Gibson. That is patently incorrect. Is Emglish your native language? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Just now, Downunderwonder said: Is Emglish your native language? Is it.. yours? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunderwonder Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 English. Where is autocorrect when you actually need it??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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