GreeneKing Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Stringray - Weak at the Gees Jazz - 'Honky' Tonk Precision - Bass, no frills! Overwater - Articulate Rickenbacker - Goddam Yankee twang! Thumb - Growly long thang (that balances AND has a slim neck) ACG - Purrfect feminine beauty with a big bottom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
risingson Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Cool, cool thread. Bear with me, just got back from a gig and am a bit pissed. I'll probably go into way too much detail as well... I'm good at missing the points or posts like this!! [b]FENDER:[/b] [b]Jazz[/b] - well crafted, well rounded instrument, a lot of fun to play. My favourite bass design, will never date. [b]Precision[/b] - What beds a track like a p-bass? Flats = Jamerson and big old funk grooves. [b]ERNIE BALL/MUSICMAN[/b] [b]Stingray[/b] - ballsey, gritty and bright. Not everyone's slap sound, but definitely good. Would play one but would always worry about low end loss. Superb neck profile [b]Sterling[/b] - always struck me as a bit lightweight, would take a Stingray over one. 3-way switching not for me. Too many options [b]Sabre[/b] - bit of an underdog! Not pretty (IMO) but I'm sure it would be ace [b]RICKENBACKER[/b] [b]4001/4003[/b] - got to plead ignorance, but can't tell a difference? McCartney's later years. Would love one, but probably the wrong bass for me. [b]4005[/b] - WANT ONE, just like Mani's, paint-splattered. Flatwounds please. Dub-central. [b]HOFNER[/b] [b]Violin bass[/b] - McCartney aside, put tapes or flats on one and flat out, one of the best basses I've ever recorded with. Hip-Hop central, fat sound. There's good reason why it's all over Dr. Dre's tracks. Overpriced a bit though. Some other big brands [b]WARWICK[/b] - nice basses, but not for everyone. Streamer Stage I or II, the latter in 5 string. Was a massive Zender-head ya see, but give or take. [b]SADOWSKY[/b] - MV-5, shell-pink or an M5 in burst with an ebony neck please. Some of the best basses I've ever heard. [b]MTD[/b] - yeh, give me an 535 and I'd be very happy. [b]LAKLAND[/b] - Joe Osborn 5 with flats. Wouldn't argue with a DJ-5 or a Bob Glaub either. Very faithful Fender replicas, much better too. [b]IBANEZ[/b] - always been a bit skeptical. Not my cup of tea [b]YAMAHA[/b] - really like their TRB5PII's. [b]FODERA[/b] - Like their Emperors, otherwise pug-ugly and probably not worth investing in personally. [b]STATUS[/b] - personally don't like graphite in bass construction aside from truss-rod re-enforcement. [b]RITTER[/b] - they'd be better making weird lamps. Lamps with active electronics. Bah. Make what you will of my drunken ramblings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozzbass Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 [quote name='grumble' post='483453' date='May 9 2009, 12:21 AM']Guild - Why did you stop making basses ?[/quote] +1 Every now and again I look hopefully at the Guild website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee4 Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 FENDER-everyman's(or woman's)bass. IBANEZ-metal and nowt else. WARWICK-funk with a back ache. RICKENBAKER-punk with an odd shape. ALEMBIC-noodle noodle slap. MM-slap slap,a bit overrated. YAMAHA-trying so hard to be different,but failing. STATUS-very marmite,either slap or a great fingerstyle tone. GIBSON-no.Never. All done in jest with a side serving of truth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 [quote name='lee4' post='484531' date='May 10 2009, 07:55 PM']WARWICK-funk with a back ache.[/quote] It really is weird folks think Ws are heavy. I suppose my vettes $$ feels pretty heavy when you pick her up, but strap that baby on and you won't feel it. It is a perfectly balanced instrument and a three hour rehearsal NEVER troubles my 9.5 stone wendy house frame. I NEVER get back or shoulder ache at all, and I can fling her about on stage like a rag doll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy67 Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 yamaha: [url="http://uk.yamaha.com/en/artists/guitars_basses/?page=1"]http://uk.yamaha.com/en/artists/guitars_basses/?page=1[/url] John Prescott - the most un-dynamic/non-dynamic/dynamicless/useless man ever! Yamaha certainly are not!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12stringbassist Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 (edited) Alembic, Inc. The goal. Aria 80's B.C. Rich Guitars The pointy ones Burns Gorgeous retro Cort Guitars Nice, not highly rated enough Danelectro Cheap, cheerful retro, great value Epiphone Save your money Ernie Ball Co. MusicMan basses. Yum yum. ESP Guitars Makes me think of Metallica etc - probably doing them a disservice. Fender The originals, if not the best Fernandes Guitars USA Inc. Nothing that original. Fodera Guitars Inc. Nothing that original. Framus Regret Gibson Their basses are not a patch on their guitars. Gordy Gorgeous Hamer Guitars One of the very best makers. Hofner Price x3 Ibanez I'm sure they're great but they have never really got me going yet. Italia Sparkle Jaydee The mutts nuts John Birch Once fabulous Lakland Basses They shouldn't have to resort to Fender designs Modulus Guitars They sound like they weigh a ton, with all that graphite. Peavey Mid range Plank Bass custom bass guitar makers who could have thought of a better name! Rickenbacker Fabulous Ritter Out of this world Sadowsky Guitars, Ltd They shouldn't have to resort to Fender designs Schecter Guitar Research Nice Steinberger Cricket bats Wal $ Warwick Dependable, great, exotic ..... but quite dear! Washburn Midrange Yamaha OK Edited May 10, 2009 by 12stringbassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 [quote name='silddx' post='484583' date='May 10 2009, 08:45 PM']It really is weird folks think Ws are heavy. I suppose my vettes $$ feels pretty heavy when you pick her up, but strap that baby on and you won't feel it. It is a perfectly balanced instrument and a three hour rehearsal NEVER troubles my 9.5 stone wendy house frame. I NEVER get back or shoulder ache at all, and I can fling her about on stage like a rag doll.[/quote] I'm glad you picked that up Silddx, as I was going to let it slip so that I didn't sound like a broken record! Even the heaviest Warwick I have ever owned (solid birds eye maple body) was under 10lb and most have been between 9lb - 9.5lb (and I've owned a few by the way). The dreaded black hole bass commonly referred to as the Thumb bass is still unlikely to tip much over 9.5lb, heavy for its size but no worse than a lot of Fenders and Fender wannabes. In my quest to reacquaint myself with my love for the Jazz tone, I've purchased 4 Jazz or Jazz style basses and 'every' single one is heavier than my 3 main Warwicks! Believe me, Warwicks are no better or worse than 99% of other manufacturers of standard sized/scale basses. There are exceptions to every rule and yes a Bubinga Corvette may be a bit heavier than an Ibanez SR bass or whatever but you can draw that comparison between virtually any two basses. Phew... however I don't think this is the last we shall hear of the dreaded 'Heavy' Warwick theory! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 [quote name='andy67' post='484603' date='May 10 2009, 09:03 PM']yamaha: [url="http://uk.yamaha.com/en/artists/guitars_basses/?page=1"]http://uk.yamaha.com/en/artists/guitars_basses/?page=1[/url] John Prescott - the most un-dynamic/non-dynamic/dynamicless/useless man ever! Yamaha certainly are not!!![/quote] Ah, well, that's based on your opinion of Prescott. My thinking was "round and ugly, but has done well given his background and packs a punch." or perhaps, "round and ugly and looks like he has a personality but doesn't." or finally "round, ugly and uninspiring." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 [quote name='warwickhunt' post='484768' date='May 11 2009, 07:25 AM']I'm glad you picked that up Silddx, as I was going to let it slip so that I didn't sound like a broken record! Even the heaviest Warwick I have ever owned (solid birds eye maple body) was under 10lb and most have been between 9lb - 9.5lb (and I've owned a few by the way). The dreaded black hole bass commonly referred to as the Thumb bass is still unlikely to tip much over 9.5lb, heavy for its size but no worse than a lot of Fenders and Fender wannabes. In my quest to reacquaint myself with my love for the Jazz tone, I've purchased 4 Jazz or Jazz style basses and 'every' single one is heavier than my 3 main Warwicks! Believe me, Warwicks are no better or worse than 99% of other manufacturers of standard sized/scale basses. There are exceptions to every rule and yes a Bubinga Corvette may be a bit heavier than an Ibanez SR bass or whatever but you can draw that comparison between virtually any two basses. Phew... however I don't think this is the last we shall hear of the dreaded 'Heavy' Warwick theory! [/quote] I think you're right, it's a strange impression though, probably from those who haven't strapped one on, so to speak. One will get back or shoulder ache from a lighter bass which is imbalanced as one's body is always trying to compensate for that imbalance. Warwick have their ergonomics pretty spot on from that point of view. Anyway, I played a '70s Jazz in a shop fairly recently that must have weighed 15lbs, sat with it on my lap and it nearly rendered me infertile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBeefChief Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Fender: Normal people, normal music. If it's a P I expect it to be played with a pick, nothing fancy but solid stuff. If a J, played with fingers, also solid stuff. Great design, great necks, a bit of a cop out. Warwick: The sex offender of the bass world. Mulletted weirdos. Driftwood. A lump of melted butter. 5 strings. Godawful funk or Jazz fusion. Rickenbacker: Dissapointing to play. Band usually plays decent music though. Classy retro look. Indie. Alembic: A collectors bass, usually hanging up as opposed to being played. Weight. Lots of switches. BC Rich: A new kid at school, bit spotty, not very cool. The weird smelly metallers let them sit with them for lunch. The talk moves away from ear medicine to talk about games workshop. The new kid decides to buy some space marines. Next comes World of Warcraft. This kid goes on to buy a BC Rich. Gibson Thunderbird: Same kid, but flukes a shag with a drunken 19yo on his 16th birthday. Ditches the Space Marines, starts smoking and forms a cock rock band. Still shagging fat birds, but at least he's getting some. Status: Great playability, zero cool. Music Man: Batteries, fixing problems that don't exist. Guildford. Ibanez: Rubbish basses for rubbish metallers. A design team from 1989. Lakland: Fender clones without the fender feel. Sadowsky: Toasted Celinder: ??? Yamaha: Strangely likeable. Motorbikes. Billy Sheehan. Would probably never own one. Bass Collection: Awful. Ugly headstock. Sei: Laaaandaaan. Session musicians. Shuker: Tasteless northerners. Fodera: People who own them using stupid phrases like "priviledged". Get over yourself. Butterflies Zon: Big noses Epiphone: Good stuff but ruined by the varnish/paint on the necks. Burns: Laaandaaan. Retro quirkiness. Cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='BigBeefChief' post='485916' date='May 12 2009, 01:51 PM']Fender: Normal people, normal music. If it's a P I expect it to be played with a pick, nothing fancy but solid stuff. If a J, played with fingers, also solid stuff. Great design, great necks, a bit of a cop out. Warwick: The sex offender of the bass world. Mulletted weirdos. Driftwood. A lump of melted butter. 5 strings. Godawful funk or Jazz fusion. Rickenbacker: Dissapointing to play. Band usually plays decent music though. Classy retro look. Indie. Alembic: A collectors bass, usually hanging up as opposed to being played. Weight. Lots of switches. BC Rich: A new kid at school, bit spotty, not very cool. The weird smelly metallers let them sit with them for lunch. The talk moves away from ear medicine to talk about games workshop. The new kid decides to buy some space marines. Next comes World of Warcraft. This kid goes on to buy a BC Rich. Gibson Thunderbird: Same kid, but flukes a shag with a drunken 19yo on his 16th birthday. Ditches the Space Marines, starts smoking and forms a cock rock band. Still shagging fat birds, but at least he's getting some. Status: Great playability, zero cool. Music Man: Batteries, fixing problems that don't exist. Guildford. Ibanez: Rubbish basses for rubbish metallers. A design team from 1989. Lakland: Fender clones without the fender feel. Sadowsky: Toasted Celinder: ??? Yamaha: Strangely likeable. Motorbikes. Billy Sheehan. Would probably never own one. Bass Collection: Awful. Ugly headstock. Sei: Laaaandaaan. Session musicians. Shuker: Tasteless northerners. Fodera: People who own them using stupid phrases like "priviledged". Get over yourself. Butterflies Zon: Big noses Epiphone: Good stuff but ruined by the varnish/paint on the necks. Burns: Laaandaaan. Retro quirkiness. Cool.[/quote] Best yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkypenguin Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 (edited) First things that come to mind are as follows! Fender - No imagination. If its a fretless jazz, brace yourself for an impending jacoism Fender clones - as above on steriods Yamaha/Ibanez/Cort/peavey - Underdog/underrated Musicman - Funk (Flea being a close second thought) Alembic - the ultimate sculpture! Wal - Geddy Lee/Justin Chancellor Jaydee - Mark King and running semiquavers (can be a good thing ) Status/Modulus - crystal clear sounds. Occasionally slapped. Overwater - Ultimate all rounder Spector - Close second place Sei - science project from another planet Warwick - how many more signature paint schemes will it be possible to come up with for the streamer.... MTD - gospel Rickenbacker - Progressive Rock Gibson - ............ ERB - Someone thinking outside the box Fodera - someone with too much money and too much patience Edited May 12, 2009 by funkypenguin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 [quote]....What do certain makes of bass say to you?....[/quote] They should all be saying "play me". There are too many basses not being played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottomEndian Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 There seem to be a lot of people who think Ibanez = metal. While I would agree with that first impression when it comes to their (6-string, up an octave) guitars, I really don't get that from their basses. The only Ibanez bass shape that shouts [b]METAAALLLL![/b] is the ICB: The rest just seem like nice simple designs (with the possible exception of the BTBs, which are admittedly a bit pointy, like a stag beetle had sex with a tree). Compare with ESP. They're all points and edges. Pure metal. And my Ibanez BTB sounds... well... sort of... kind of like a Jazz, but a Jazz that's been to the gym. Huge, but well-rounded. Not really a metal tone at all. Just my 2p. I haven't had enough experience of different bass brands to contribute much more, so... as you were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutToPlayJazz Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Alembic - Ultimate craftsmanship like a Rolls-Royce. Fodera - Seriously overpriced - Will it be ready before you're ready for the box? Fender - Keep digging through the pile & you'll eventually find a good one. Sadowsky - Like a new MINI. A seriously refined version of the original. ACG - Seriously crafted and innovative - Like a Lotus. Squier - As Skoda is to VW - Now seriously good and stealing a lot of sales from their masters. Ibanez - White goods. Does the job just like your fridge or washing machine. Enfield - The Bristol Blenheim of the bass world. Status - High-tech hifi with no nonsense. Think Audi. Modulus - Tell him to put his bloody shirt on! The Dodge Viper of the bass world. Yamaha - Engineering, engineering, engineering. Toyota? Warwick - Feels like the tree it was made out of. Like travelling in a Rover without the wilton carpets. Shuker - British cottage industry specialist - If TVR made basses... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus bell Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 alembic: beautiful looks, confusing switches, weird tone!!! aria: duran duran... bass collection: bass centre, 1990s bc rich: rock bands of the eighties, pointy looks benavente: cool looking, woody, arty. celinder: gorgeous jazz bass wannabee... charvel: drooped head? conklin: jean baudin, mario, pacman cort: small, lightweight dean: brian bromberg, metal dingwall: offset, kind of reminds me of a bow and arrow cant think why danelectro: plywood ernie ball musicman: louis johnson, slapped, round pickguard elrick: too many strings fender: some good, some not so good, sunburst, blocks, marcus miller. jaco. fernandes: alembic copy fodera: wooten, tenor bass, waiting forever for it to come! gibson: jack bruce, violins goodfellow: blue, red, quite a hollow sound to them, sparking and dancing leds... gretsch: stick to guitars friends... hofner: paul mccartney, dead strings, germany. ibanez: sting, woody. jaydee: the slap bass to end all slap basses, mark king, cherry red ken smith: erb's, massive heads? lakland: adam clayton, fender rip offs, quite nice sounding basses line 6: just no! mayones: lovely playing instruments, wojtek pilichowski, huge tone! moon: mark kings fretless adventure, jazz bass, angled pickups mosrite: frumpy, but cool ns design: tony levin, upright overwater: english, wooden status? olp: good for the money, never liked the unfinished maple neck though! peavey: the cirrus BXP!!! i want one, for the money they excel! pedulla: jeff schmidt, fretless tone, tone tone.... rickenbacker: rutherford double neck, glossy fingerboards, dual truss rod? ritter: work of art. simple roscoe: nice sadowsky: marcus miller, jazz basses to die for, that girl player? shergold: genesis, 70's, painting crack shukers: everywhere they are, custom jobbies squier: nice basses, if you get the right one, mines played better than every american one ive played so far! status: gorgeous tones when dialled in correctly if i little sterile at times, the series 2 looks very eighties, bu hey if mark king likes it it cant be bad tune: curvy, pretty elegant at times vigier: a peach to play, lovely for french wal: 80's, wood, spandau ballet! yamaha: sklar, black zon: lovely basses, micheal manring makes them sing!!! enough info??? x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budget bassist Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='warwickhunt' post='484768' date='May 11 2009, 07:25 AM']I'm glad you picked that up Silddx, as I was going to let it slip so that I didn't sound like a broken record! Even the heaviest Warwick I have ever owned (solid birds eye maple body) was under 10lb and most have been between 9lb - 9.5lb (and I've owned a few by the way). The dreaded black hole bass commonly referred to as the Thumb bass is still unlikely to tip much over 9.5lb, heavy for its size but no worse than a lot of Fenders and Fender wannabes. In my quest to reacquaint myself with my love for the Jazz tone, I've purchased 4 Jazz or Jazz style basses and 'every' single one is heavier than my 3 main Warwicks! Believe me, Warwicks are no better or worse than 99% of other manufacturers of standard sized/scale basses. There are exceptions to every rule and yes a Bubinga Corvette may be a bit heavier than an Ibanez SR bass or whatever but you can draw that comparison between virtually any two basses. Phew... however I don't think this is the last we shall hear of the dreaded 'Heavy' Warwick theory! [/quote] My $$ certainly isn't a light beast, but it's not the heaviest bass i've owned. Plus the small body feels so comfy and i can throw it about like nobody's business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoombung Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 (edited) Only these have significance for me which probably says something about my age: [b]Fender Precision[/b]: beer, fags, pub rock, crap nights out [b]Rickenbacker[/b]: Prog [b]Wal[/b]: New Romo, eye make up [b]Fodera[/b]: Americans, bad haircuts, trade shows, [b]Ritter[/b]: Fabergé eggs Edited May 14, 2009 by Spoombung Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kongo Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 (edited) [quote name='BottomEndian' post='486103' date='May 12 2009, 04:43 PM']There seem to be a lot of people who think Ibanez = metal. While I would agree with that first impression when it comes to their (6-string, up an octave) guitars, I really don't get that from their basses. The only Ibanez bass shape that shouts [b]METAAALLLL![/b] is the ICB: The rest just seem like nice simple designs (with the possible exception of the BTBs, which are admittedly a bit pointy, like a stag beetle had sex with a tree). Compare with ESP. They're all points and edges. Pure metal. And my Ibanez BTB sounds... well... sort of... kind of like a Jazz, but a Jazz that's been to the gym. Huge, but well-rounded. Not really a metal tone at all. Just my 2p. I haven't had enough experience of different bass brands to contribute much more, so... as you were. [/quote] +1 on the BTB. I play metal in my band and as much as I love it, it's not metal tone but then, BTB standad for "Boutique Bass" so they are designed with makers like Alembic in mind and are aimed at Jazzers really more than metallers. The pickups are actually modelled more for dynamic response than an actual tone on BTB's so I guess that explains it. Not sure it's any pointier than a Peavey Cirrus though (what I had before). Ibanez have themselfs to blame for being slapped with the "Metal" tag but I guess money talks and that's where they get it from. Not many that play them complain either...but a lot are afraif of being badged a "Metal bassist" by playing an Ibanez Bass. Of course, with the right tools and mind there's nothing wrong with being a metal bassist either so that stigma really shouldn't be. Oh and yes to someone else here they are 80's designs...much like Fender are 50's - 60's designs...can't change facts really (or argue them). If Fender still use those designs what's wrong with Ibanez? Edited May 12, 2009 by Kongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-77 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='crez5150' post='483383' date='May 8 2009, 11:13 PM']Status - Perfection.................. I'm spent![/quote] +1 on that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Dave Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Confession time. I must admit that any expensive bass guitar makes me think 'This guy is serious'. I'm embarrassed about it because that's totaly wrong on many levels and my better self doffs my cap to all of you with cheaper basses who are both hugely dedicated and bright enough not to think like me. I'm afraid too that if a guy picks up any bass - hangs it chest high , tucks his arm round the end and extends his thumb parallel to the strings I think 'here we f**king go' and do a runner to the bar. That's wrong too. I'm a dinosaur. Don't know why half of you put up with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus27 Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 [quote name='Dr.Dave' post='486809' date='May 13 2009, 12:14 PM']Confession time. I must admit that any expensive bass guitar makes me think 'This guy is serious'. I'm embarrassed about it because that's totaly wrong on many levels and my better self doffs my cap to all of you with cheaper basses who are both hugely dedicated and bright enough not to think like me. I'm afraid too that if a guy picks up any bass - hangs it chest high , tucks his arm round the end and extends his thumb parallel to the strings I think 'here we f**king go' and do a runner to the bar. That's wrong too. I'm a dinosaur. Don't know why half of you put up with me.[/quote] I really do not think you are alone on those thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinynorman Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Linus27' post='486871' date='May 13 2009, 12:59 PM']I really do not think you are alone on those thoughts.[/quote] My thoughts are a bit different. A Fender makes me think "this guy is a musician who just wants something that works". That accounts for about 80% of the people I see playing, whether live or on TV. For almost anything else, there's an underlying statement about personality or lifestyle. Sometimes it's hard to see, others are more obvious. For example, if you play a Gibson TBird, you must be on heroin - or, if not, you'd like to be. That kind of thing. Edited May 13, 2009 by spinynorman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Dave Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 [quote name='spinynorman' post='487110' date='May 13 2009, 06:13 PM']My thoughts are a bit different. A Fender makes me think "this guy is a musician who just wants something that works".[/quote] I used to think that - but in recent years I've come to wonder how many just want the retro pose. Websites dedicated to relicing , companys responding to demand by making reliced instruments , that sort of thing. A Precision to me is the ref. because that's what I started on. It's what I started on because there was so little choice in 1978. Less so today. I hope - best word I can say truthfully - that if I were starting out now I'd make my decision based on things like value/versatility/build quality - anything but pose value.... there just wasn't the choice years ago - can't emphasise that enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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