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[Latest news: the Pink G&L is now once again with Parcelforce and will be back home in Virginia before long]

 

[See this post further down this thread for an explanation of the bass's journey] 

 

I've now been given permission by the police to advertise the fact that my G&L SB-1 serial number CLF2012012 was stolen from Heathrow Airport between leaving the plane and being handed to Parcelforce to go through customs. So not just stolen but smuggled, too.

 

Some optimist in the Midlands is currently trying to flog this for a grand on Facebook Marketplace. I can't imagine that anyone interested in this instrument would not find it suspicious, and would be googling the serial number. If that's you, Hi! Don't buy it!

 

You can see from the spec sheet that this G&L SB-1 has these non-standard specs: empress wood for the body, quartersawn maple for the neck and a narrow 1½" nut.  Since it left the factory the knobs were upgraded to CLF Research knobs and the Daddario Nickels were replaced with Rotosound Swing Bass pure steel strings. 

 

The dirty mark on the body just by the 18th fret was presumably added by the grubby scrote who half-inched it from Heathrow.

 

I have been given a full refund, so the instrument is no longer anything to do with me. It was ordered via Greg Bump at Rocket Music in Blacksburg, Virginia, who has a mammoth reputation in America, and who has, over the last nine months proven it well-deserved, repeatedly.

 

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On 03/07/2021 at 16:19, Waddo Soqable said:

^ presumably you'll not lose money on it, as you've not received the goods you paid for.

 

On 03/07/2021 at 12:15, Ricky Rioli said:

I have been given a full refund

 

The poor bass being stolen was just the final part of a ridiculous saga, and throughout the dealer was 

 

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8 minutes ago, Ricky Rioli said:

 

The poor bass being stolen was just the final part of a ridiculous saga, and throughout the dealer was 

Apologies I didn't see the refund bit !  You've not lost on it anyway that's the main thing.

Clearly that bass really wasn't meant for you...  I guess someone will end up using it at some point tho...

I wonder if  "the bitter comes out better on a stolen guitar "  works for bass too !

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On 03/07/2021 at 07:15, Ricky Rioli said:

I've now been given permission by the police to advertise the fact that my G&L SB-1 serial number CLF2012012 was stolen from Heathrow Airport between leaving the plane and being handed to Parcelforce to go through customs. So not just stolen but smuggled, too.

Some optimist in the Midlands is currently trying to flog this for a grand on Facebook Marketplace. I can't imagine that anyone interested in this instrument would not find it suspicious, and would be googling the serial number. If that's you, Hi! Don't buy it!

You can see from the spec sheet that this G&L SB-1 has these non-standard specs: empress wood for the body, quartersawn maple for the neck and a narrow 1½" nut.  Since it left the factory the knobs were upgraded to CLF Research knobs and the Daddario Nickels were replaced with Rotosound Swing Bass pure steel strings. 

The dirty mark on the body just by the 18th fret was presumably added by the grubby scrote who half-inched it from Heathrow.

I have been given a full refund, so the instrument is no longer anything to do with me. It was ordered via Greg Bump at Rocket Music in Blacksburg, Virginia, who has a mammoth reputation in America, and who has, over the last nine months proven it well-deserved, repeatedly.

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How is something like that even possible?

Sounds like a nightmare!

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On 03/07/2021 at 13:21, TheGreek said:

Has the thief been arrested yet?

 

4 minutes ago, NancyJohnson said:

This was my thought.

This thread has been linked to in dozens of places, and has already been cleaned up once. Please let us not go down that road again.

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16 hours ago, jd56hawk said:

How is something like that even possible?

Sounds like a nightmare!

Reminds me of a story about the first batch of Datsun cars imported to the UK via Shoreham (Datsun were HQ'd in Worthing). With great ceremony, the first 6 cars were unloaded and driven onto a transporter - never to be seen again. There's seemingly nothing that audaciousness can't overcome.

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Lot 2044 at a recent W&H Peacock auction

 

G&L musical product inc. pink and white finish 4 string electric base model SB1 with fitted case and cert. of authenticity.

 

The March 2021 receipt from Rocket Music is still with the bass, sorry the "base". 

 

Peacock Auctions page on Facebook

 

I've sent an email to Peacock and have cc-ed Rocket Music. 

 

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3 hours ago, Ricky Rioli said:

Lot 2044 at a recent W&H Peacock auction

G&L musical product inc. pink and white finish 4 string electric base model SB1 with fitted case and cert. of authenticity.

The March 2021 receipt from Rocket Music is still with the bass, sorry the "base". 

Peacock Auctions page on Facebook

I've sent an email to Peacock and have cc-ed Rocket Music. 

oooh well done finding that. An auction should have some fairly good money laundering regulations that mean they should know exactly who's selling and who's buying. 

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On 05/07/2021 at 11:22, PaulThePlug said:

Hope it ends up in your hands by some means, if that is still what you want, and it is all thar you expect it to be... Sounds like the bloke that bought it at auction was legit - stange but true!

 

I think my involvement in the adventures of this poor instrument is over. 

 

My inconsequential opinion is that Peacock need to get the instrument back, and USPS / Parcelforce, who were paid $175 to deliver it to me, need to get it from Peacocks back to Rocket Music, so that Greg there can assess its condition and decide what next for it. 

 

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Thanks to clever people, I had the phone number of the guy who was offering this for sale, so I texted him, and he called me back and we had a chat.

That the bass is the property of Rocket Music and has not been through customs to pay the significant charges due was made very clear. The auction house have offered him a refund, which I urged him to accept. I very much hope this means that the bass is on its way back home to Virginia. 

 

The auction house haven't replied to my emails yet.

 

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I must say, you've handled this whole thing with a lot more calmness and pragmatism than I would have. Fair play to you for staying level-headed and objective about the whole thing. 

Thst said, I'd imagine you've written and deleted many posts several times before hitting reply!

I'm glad it all worked out as well as it could have for you and (save some understandable disappointment) you've walked away relatively unscathed and not out of pocket :)

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On 05/07/2021 at 17:40, Old Horse Murphy said:

and not out of pocket

 

Turn the price into US dollars when the pound is weak, and then turn it back when the pound is strong, and then deduct two lots of exchange changes....yeah, I'm out of pocket.... ;) 

 

But here's what I wrote elsewhere a couple of days ago:

"I've been persistently unlucky with this purchase, but in the end all I lost was the cost of buying dollars when they were expensive and selling them when they were cheap, and a whole lot of time and emotional energy. In 2020-21, given All That Stuff Going On, I have been very repeatedly very fortunate. If this is the price fate is extracting to settle that bill, that's fine".

 

Also, many years ago I lived in Manchester, and when they rob you there, they don't just pinch something out of the post..... 


 

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I have now heard, on the request of Mark Baker, the CEO of W&H Peacock Auctioneers and Valuers, from a Charlotte Peters of Parcelforce. According to the various pieces of information given to me by Charlotte Peters and Nigel Brewer, what happened to my bass was this:

 

1. The parcel lost its label

 

2. The parcel was moved to a lost property section. At this time, the case contained paperwork giving both my name and address and Rocket Music's details. No attempt was made to contact either of us.

 

3. The parcel was moved by some unnamed government body from lost property and placed with Peacock Auctions. This unnamed body has a long-standing relationship with Peacock Auctions and has sold thousands of items via them. The case still contained the paperwork giving both my details and Rocket Music's. Again, no attempt was made to contact either of us.

 

4. The bass and an unplayed ESP guitar worth about twice my G&L were bought by Nigel Brewer, who runs Mirrorspan, a bespoke kitchen fitting company in Bedford. A personal friend of Mark Baker, Nigel has bought many guitars from Peacock Auctions over the years. The case still contained the paperwork giving both my details and Rocket Music's, which Nigel demonstrated by reading my address to me over the phone. Unfortunately he was not able to find a phone number for me, and when he tried to phone Rocket Music, it went to voicemail.

 

5. Nigel Brewer placed the bass and the ESP guitar for sale on Facebook Marketplace. Those adverts have now been taken down.

 

As I understand, Nigel Brewer is returning the bass and the ESP guitar to Peacock Auctions, who naturally have offered him a complete refund. They will they liaise with Parcelforce and return the bass to Greg at Rocket Music. 

 

Charlotte Peters, Parcelforce's Customer & Admin Manager at the Coventry Hubs told me that "there have been a number of procedures that have not been followed by USPS and PFW which resorted in the item not being located despite your best efforts to find it. These are being investigated - I have passed this onto our Executive Team to look into this matter further and they will be in touch in due course." I look forward to the Executive Team's help in returning Rocket Music's property, and hope for a positive response to my suggestion that Parcelforce compensate me for the costs of changing pounds to dollars when the pound was weak, and changing them back when the pound was strong. 

 

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"The parcel was moved by some unknown government body from lost property and placed with Peacock Auctions. This unknown body has a long standing relationship with Peacock Auctions and has sold thousands of items via them."

^ This.  :(

 

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That’s exactly what was on watchdog a while back. There was a special auction house where thousands of items, mostly with address labels still intact, were sent as ‘undeliverable’ and auctioned. I’ll see if I can find it…

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I'm guessing "unknown government body" is short hand for "I'm not dobbing in my contact who gives us all this stuff to sell" ?

I work for a company who owns an auction business (cars) - it is super locked down in terms of the auction house having a legal responsibility to know who is selling things and that they are who they say they are to stop money laundering. In my experience, based on the automotive sector, it is utterly unfeasible that the auction house wouldn't know the "government body" involved and also the name of thee disposal agent who would have  authorised sale and the courier who delivered the items.  

anyway, I'm getting annoyed, and just edited out anything liablous or that would get me in trouble with the mods  - how you've kept calm I don't know!

 

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On 07/07/2021 at 23:41, LukeFRC said:

In my experience, based on the automotive sector, it is utterly unfeasible that the auction house wouldn't know the "government body" involved 

 

The auction house know yes, but they have a confidentiality clause, so they haven't shared that information with Nigel, so he wasn't able to share it with me. I suppose Charlotte Peters will know, but she chose not to tell me.

 

Maybe I'll reword that, replace "unknown" with "not publicly known" or "unnamed".

 

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15 hours ago, Ricky Rioli said:

I have now heard, on the request of Mark Baker, the CEO of W&H Peacock Auctioneers and Valuers, from a Charlotte Peters of Parcelforce. According to the various pieces of information given to me by Charlotte Peters and Nigel Brewer, what happened to my bass was this:

1. The parcel lost its label

2. The parcel was moved to a lost property section. At this time, the case contained paperwork giving both my name and address and Rocket Music's details. No attempt was made to contact either of us.

3. The parcel was moved by some unnamed government body from lost property and placed with Peacock Auctions. This unnamed body has a long-standing relationship with Peacock Auctions and has sold thousands of items via them. The case still contained the paperwork giving both my details and Rocket Music's. Again, no attempt was made to contact either of us.

4. The bass and an unplayed ESP guitar worth about twice my G&L were bought by Nigel Brewer, who runs Mirrorspan, a bespoke kitchen fitting company in Bedford. A personal friend of Mark Baker, Nigel has bought many guitars from Peacock Auctions over the years. The case still contained the paperwork giving both my details and Rocket Music's, which Nigel demonstrated by reading my address to me over the phone. Unfortunately he was not able to find a phone number for me, and when he tried to phone Rocket Music, it went to voicemail.

5. Nigel Brewer placed the bass and the ESP guitar for sale on Facebook Marketplace. Those adverts have now been taken down.

As I understand, Nigel Brewer is returning the bass and the ESP guitar to Peacock Auctions, who naturally have offered him a complete refund. They will they liaise with Parcelforce and return the bass to Greg at Rocket Music. 

Charlotte Peters, Parcelforce's Customer & Admin Manager at the Coventry Hubs told me that "there have been a number of procedures that have not been followed by USPS and PFW which resorted in the item not being located despite your best efforts to find it. These are being investigated - I have passed this onto our Executive Team to look into this matter further and they will be in touch in due course." I look forward to the Executive Team's help in returning Rocket Music's property, and hope for a positive response to my suggestion that Parcelforce compensate me for the costs of changing pounds to dollars when the pound was weak, and changing them back when the pound was strong. 

Where did the money from the auction sale go to?  Charity, Peacocks back pocket, parcelforce's back pocket or somewhere else?

This is bizarre.

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On 08/07/2021 at 13:15, Kev said:

Where did the money from the auction sale go to?

 

Presumably the shadowy unnamed government(-related) body places the goods at auction. The auction house, again presumably, takes a slice from what the buyer pays and/or what the seller receives. 

 

So Parcelforce as an institution takes on the care of the goods, takes a payment for this, transfers ownership of the goods to themselves, and then legimately sells them wholesale.

 

This allows themselves, the auctioneers and the retailers to divide up 100% of the remaining value of the goods. If this series of actions had been done by a person, it would have been theft*, but because Parcelforce did it, it was entirely legal.

 

(*I am not a lawyer, this opinion is presented for entertainment purposes only. May contain nuts.)

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