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13 minutes ago, Steve Browning said:

VAT is charged once (or should be). Stuff coming from Germany will cost zero VAT from the supplier and 20% (plus any fees) UK VAT when it arrives in the UK.

DV247 used to a shop in Southampton and I bought from them quite regularly.

Ah cool so they have a proper UK presence then.... Anyone know if there is import Duty from Germany on electrical products as well as the VAT?

 

2 minutes ago, EBS_freak said:

Or have the space to do so.

Back in the early 90's I used to run an online photographic store with a business partner. We used to work closely with our wholesalers and had a system where we would carry a lot of low priced and smaller stock ready for immediate dispatch and we worked agreements where the wholesalers would send high level items direct to customer and invoice to us. This allowed us to offer a huge range of cameras that could be dispatched within a day and customers usually had the item within 2 working days maximum it also meant we lost at least one P and P cost and meant we could keep turn over high and profit margins low thus passing on the benefit to the customer. In order to make bigger profits one really needed to specialise in small but expensive markets like medium and large format photography rather than the mainstream.

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1 minute ago, Dudgeman said:

Ah cool so they have a proper UK presence then.... Anyone know if there is import Duty from Germany on electrical products as well as the VAT?

 

Back in the early 90's I used to run an online photographic store with a business partner. We used to work closely with our wholesalers and had a system where we would carry a lot of low priced and smaller stock ready for immediate dispatch and we worked agreements where the wholesalers would send high level items direct to customer and invoice to us. This allowed us to offer a huge range of cameras that could be dispatched within a day and customers usually had the item within 2 working days maximum it also meant we lost at least one P and P cost and meant we could keep turn over high and profit margins low thus passing on the benefit to the customer. In order to make bigger profits one really needed to specialise in small but expensive markets like medium and large format photography rather than the mainstream.

I believe we import without Duty under the agreement. Your additional costs will be mainly the fee for the carrier handling the import VAT.

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their response...

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And on a more positive note:

"Jean-Michel Thillier, the head customs official for the Haunts-de-France region, insisted the Dover-Calais route is more attractive than in the past.

French officials have deployed new “smart border” technology to beat chaos at their ports after the introduction of new post-Brexit trading rules. Trucks are flowing freely between Dover and Calais thanks to the system which, even with new paperwork requirements, he said his team of officers in northern France had managed to process thousands of lorries with ease." 

Probably just more dodgy propaganda from someone who doesn't know what he's talking about...best ignore him.

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4 hours ago, EBS_freak said:

I loathe those things... and their "unexpected item in packing area"... and the game of trying to get it all to balance properly. ANNOYING. And then if you buy something age restricted, you are left hanging around anyway for the one person who is on duty to go off and get their manager because they aren't old enough to authorise the sale.

I avoid whenever I can.

Sorry, could not resist 😎

 

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1 hour ago, Al Krow said:

And on a more positive note:

"Jean-Michel Thillier, the head customs official for the Haunts-de-France region, insisted the Dover-Calais route is more attractive than in the past.

French officials have deployed new “smart border” technology to beat chaos at their ports after the introduction of new post-Brexit trading rules. Trucks are flowing freely between Dover and Calais thanks to the system which, even with new paperwork requirements, he said his team of officers in northern France had managed to process thousands of lorries with ease." 

Probably just more dodgy propaganda from someone who doesn't know what he's talking about...best ignore him.

It’s not really about border holdups other than in the very short term as everyone gets used to the paperwork but the extra charges and the possible loss of return rights now we are no longer covering EU distance selling regs and vice versa. In reality for higher-cost new goods there won’t be much financial impact. As has already been said, it’s cheaper goods (requiring foreign sellers to collect UK VAT below £135) and used sales that now attract VAT that will be hit most.

And prior to these changes there was no chaos as there was free movement of goods, so really not sure what point you are trying to make?

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14 minutes ago, FDC484950 said:

 used sales that now attract VAT that will be hit most.

 

I'm not sure used sales attract VAT. Surely its already been paid - when it was initially purchased?

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1 minute ago, paul_c2 said:

I'm not sure used sales attract VAT. Surely its already been paid - when it was initially purchased?

Oh yes they do - buy a used bass from the US or elsewhere outside the EU and you pay duty and VAT on arrival. In the EU the same applies (except that I gather the trade deal agreed means no duty). Already many threads on here discussing it.

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5 minutes ago, FDC484950 said:

Already many threads on here discussing it.

I missed all the threads - can you point me in the right direction? Thanks

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20 minutes ago, FDC484950 said:

It’s not really about border holdups other than in the very short term as everyone gets used to the paperwork but the extra charges and the possible loss of return rights now we are no longer covering EU distance selling regs and vice versa. In reality for higher-cost new goods there won’t be much financial impact. As has already been said, it’s cheaper goods (requiring foreign sellers to collect UK VAT below £135) and used sales that now attract VAT that will be hit most.

And prior to these changes there was no chaos as there was free movement of goods, so really not sure what point you are trying to make?

Simple point really: there's been a heck of a lot of doom and gloom on trade issues and the above was definitely one of them. I think we should have more faith in the ability of port authorities and business folk to adapt and solve problems.

5 minutes ago, FDC484950 said:

Oh yes they do - buy a used bass from the US or elsewhere outside the EU and you pay duty and VAT on arrival. In the EU the same applies (except that I gather the trade deal agreed means no duty). Already many threads on here discussing it.

+1^^ Yup, unfortunately. Been discussed at length earlier on this thread and on the various buying from the EU / selling to the EU threads.

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1 hour ago, FDC484950 said:

...possible loss of return rights now we are no longer covering EU distance selling regs and vice versa...

I may have missed something here. I was under the impression that, prior to leaving the EU, a whole bunch of laws and regulations were transferred en masse into UK legislation. Was this aspect not on the list..? Was it not even discussed somewhere..? :scratch_one-s_head:

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That’s not entirely clear at the moment. It’s likely that what was there before 31 Dec will continue, but despite a lot of searching I cannot find the specific guidance, perhaps because returns are a minefield of EU, local and individual company policies. Given how much information there is, and how late the agreement was struck, it may be as-is... or maybe not. Caveat Emptor.

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7 hours ago, Kev said:

Wonder when it passed through customs? As it’s irrelevant when you order it, it would have been when it arrived in the country?

Not quite irrelevant because (buying in December) the Thomann prices included vat. Having to pay twice (I mean, I wouldn't, but having to fight it) was actually a worry of mine. 

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Great news for British Retailers,and by god this country's small retailers deserve some good news,

 

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38 minutes ago, Jack said:

Not quite irrelevant because (buying in December) the Thomann prices included vat. Having to pay twice (I mean, I wouldn't, but having to fight it) was actually a worry of mine. 

You misunderstood, I meant when you bought it was irrelevant to whether or not your paid VAT again or not.  Could have backordered in November and it still would have cost you more if it hit the border after 1/1.  It must have come up for a lot of people, unless they were just sending ones back that were marked as EU , as they wouldn’t have the right papers.

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1 minute ago, Kev said:

You misunderstood, I meant when you bought it was irrelevant to whether or not your paid VAT again or not.  Could have backordered in November and it still would have cost you more if it hit the border after 1/1.  It must have come up for a lot of people, unless they were just sending ones back that were marked as EU , as they wouldn’t have the right papers.

Vat cannot be charged twice ,take the example when buying a commercial vehicle,a lot of  second hand vans have VAT payable at purchase,because it has a been a hire vehicle,but if VAT has been levied on the initial purchase from new,then that VAT is not payable again.

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1 hour ago, Mickyk said:

Vat cannot be charged twice ,take the example when buying a commercial vehicle,a lot of  second hand vans have VAT payable at purchase,because it has a been a hire vehicle,but if VAT has been levied on the initial purchase from new,then that VAT is not payable again.

Can not, or should not?  Not the same in these circumstances I shouldn’t think, if the right paperwork isn’t prepared.  

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I think in the near future things will flow as easy as they ever did, people don’t like change. 
Once we get used to the new system everything will return to normal 

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Okay, so I took the plunge and ordered with Musik-Productive, with prices listed as including Tax and Custom Fees.

Confirmation email received, and itemised on it is a separate figure (within the total) for “Import Duties”.   So, it looks like they’re right, and they’re using UPS as a customs broker?

Proof is in the pudding (whether I get a bill from UPS or not), we’ll see!

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9 hours ago, Mickyk said:

Vat cannot be charged twice ,take the example when buying a commercial vehicle,a lot of  second hand vans have VAT payable at purchase,because it has a been a hire vehicle,but if VAT has been levied on the initial purchase from new,then that VAT is not payable again.

I'm sorry but that is completely wrong. VAT is charged on every sale by a VAT registered seller. 

When VAT is irrecoverable (it wouldn't happen with a commercial vehicle) the subsequent sale is exempt but VAT is always charged. 

People really need to be careful what they are posting. 

Here's the VAT Act 1994. If you're not familiar with it, then you are best seeking proper advice and not offering advice here. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/23/contents

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8 hours ago, Bunion said:

I think in the near future things will flow as easy as they ever did, people don’t like change. 
Once we get used to the new system everything will return to the new, more expensive, normal 

Fixed :)

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8 hours ago, Bunion said:

I think in the near future things will flow as easy as they ever did, people don’t like change. 
Once we get used to the new system everything will return to normal 

I don't suppose I can interest you in buying a bridge, one careful owner, no VAT?

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