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@Graham56, re "I'm tempted by the Ashdown. I had a Mag 300 head before which had a great sound, but couldn't keep up (this was with an inefficient 210 cab). I do keep seeing comments about Ashdown output not being as loud as the wattage suggests but other people love them."

This might have been the case with earlier ranges - I have to admit I thought this with an early edition ABM500 I had as a backup amp - but I`ve got the ABM600 & RM500 which are current ranges and irrespective of cab/cabs I`ve used these have always been plenty loud enough. For reference I play in a skinhead/punk band so not exactly quiet music. 

Like Markbass I find the Ashdown amps work well with Precisions - I used to have Markbass amps myself but moved them on due to needing a bit more upper-mids and drive for my current band.

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2 hours ago, Graham56 said:

Thanks to everyone for contributing, and there's a lot of food for thought.

As I said, I don't actually need more volume as such, but I would like a better sound quality. The current head is over 10 years old  and when I push it, the sound gets 'tight', kinda like someone speaking between clenched teeth (is this making any sense???)

I tend to set the EQ with a bit of a treble drop to make the most of the P-Bass mid-range hump. It sounds great at low volumes but not once the master goes past about 1 o'clock.

I know nothing about compression, but maybe a decent compressor would help as well?

I don't play in terribly loud bands, but the two I'm working with at the moment have lots of instruments that fill up the sonic space.

I do get the points about extra cab, but if I have to trade sound quality for portability I'm leaning towards portability. There are a couple of venues I play where I often have to park some distance away, so a single trip is really important to me. To misquote Al Krow: "But we also need to factor in the age and efficiency of the OP..."

I'm tempted by the Ashdown. I had a Mag 300 head before which had a great sound, but couldn't keep up (this was with an inefficient 210 cab). I do keep seeing comments about Ashdown output not being as loud as the wattage suggests but other people love them.

I didn't know anything about the Fender, although a friend has a Rumble combo and that sounds great to me.

I was very interested in the Quilter, although a couple of people (including Dave_bass 5) have commented on their 'flatness'. I guess I have to go up to Wembley to hear one.

Some tests in retailers may be called for!

Cheers, 

Graham

 

I would not worry about your amplifier being 10 years old. My LMIII was made in 2009 and it sounds just as good as it ever did ;)

@Phil Starr mentioned using an HPF. It's not a bad suggestion at all.

I didn't really know about HPFs when I was struggling with my LMIII+BB2, and eventually got a second BB2. Later, I 'discovered' HPFs. I found that using an adjustable one, even when set pretty low (~40Hz) I felt I had to push the amp a bit less in order to get the same volume, I also felt it sounded a bit clearer, and felt cooler after playing for 2-3 hours.

I wonder if that could do the trick for you, while keeping your existing gear. The LMII/III doesn't sound great when your input gain is too high. Maybe using an HPF you'll get that little extra oomph that could allow you to push the amp a little less to get the volume you need, and souding clearer.

 

 

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34 minutes ago, mcnach said:

 The LMII/III doesn't sound great when your input gain is too high. 

 

 

This is what I found with my MB Tube, easing back the input gain and then a little more gain on the master volume cleaned the sound right up for me. Looking at mine now the input gain is right down to the 9.00 o'clock position, there is a lot of gain in those early stages. That may solve your problem

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+1 for HPF to improve speaker efficiency by eliminating the low end sonic crud.

@mcnach - now that you are making use of an HPF (on your Mesa D800+ ?) are you finding one BB2 mostly does the job or are you still doubling up with a second BB2 for the majority of your gigs?

The other point about the LM2/3's to be aware of is the less than ideal EQ centre points e.g. bass EQ centred at 40Hz, rather than a generally more preferred 65Hz to 80Hz and a huge gap between the high mids and treble centre points - something which has been fully addressed on the newer MB models.

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I did a rehearsal with a 410 and the same 500w head I normally run into 210.

A world of difference. Actually have measured my car to see if a 410 will go in the boot.

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21 hours ago, AndyTravis said:

I did a rehearsal with a 410 and the same 500w head I normally run into 210.

A world of difference. Actually have measured my car to see if a 410 will go in the boot.

and..... you're buying a new car? 

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10 minutes ago, LukeFRC said:

and..... you're buying a new car? 

Will fit with the back seats down.

or if I trade to a v60 estate

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1 minute ago, AndyTravis said:

Will fit with the back seats down.

or if I trade to a v60 estate

I quite like @warwickhunt's solution of having two 2x10 cabs stacked vertically 

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6 minutes ago, LukeFRC said:

I quite like @warwickhunt's solution of having two 2x10 cabs stacked vertically 

Or I could get another 210...

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The last 410 I owned was an Epifani in 2006. It was light, for a 410, but still a very unwieldy lump.

These days, I'd always get 2 210's rather than a 410.

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